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LW's father is so terrible and LW is such a wimp that I find myself hopeful this letter is fake
Dear Carolyn: My wife and I are expecting our first baby. The baby shower is next weekend, and I was really looking forward to it. My dad wants to plan something for the guys to do that day. He was shocked when I said I was going to the baby shower. He said that no “real man” wants to go to a baby shower and that I’d be miserable at a “girly baby party.”
I think that’s nuts; I want to see the gifts for our son and celebrate the new baby. My dad won’t back down. He went on a rant about this generation of men letting our wives “feminize” us and how it’s ruining society and if I do this he’s going to feel as if he failed as a father. My wife has nothing to do with me wanting to be there, but he won’t listen.
I don’t know whether this is a hill I want to die on, but I also think I’d regret missing our baby shower just because my dad is being an idiot. What should I do?
— Not “A Real Man”
Not “A Real Man”: Amazing how much propaganda has seeped into family connections. Amazing, horrifying and sad.
I’m sorry your dad has lost it. You don’t have to keep arguing with him, though. His question was asked and answered: “Thanks, Dad, but I’ll be at the shower.”
The! End!
Meaning, when he huffs and puffs, you implement one or some of the following: “Yeah, gotta run, talk later,” then hang up/leave. “I gave you my answer. Next topic.” “Interesting.” Change subject. “You’re entitled to your opinion. I am entitled to mine.” Change subject/hang up/leave. “I’m sorry to hear that. You did your job as a parent: I have my own views and stand up for them. Thank you for teaching me courage.” Etc.
Ranting, guilting, shame and refusing to back down are all his concerns, not yours. They’re only yours if you agree to keep listening or feel you have to. “He won’t listen” is irrelevant to your decision, because you attend the shower if you want to. Done.
These are hard steps but well-timed. Raising children requires the backbone to do what you think is right under significant outside pressure to do something else.
Readers’ thoughts:
· Believe me, this is just the start of your dad’s opining on your parenting. Stand up now. I can hear him questioning your manliness if you change a diaper.
· “I’m sorry you feel that way, Dad.” Then decline to engage further — every time he dangles the threat of his displeasure over your choices.
· Your dad is a glassbowl. I’m in my mid-40s, and almost all our friends had coed baby showers. Kids with two dads, single fathers or nonbinary parents shouldn’t be celebrated with showers?
· “You do not get an opinion on this. Next topic.”
· Thinking one is the arbiter of what makes a “real man,” or a “real” anything, is the definition of being a real jerk. Also grounds for losing all credibility.
· PLEASE defend your wife against the malicious remarks undoubtedly coming her way. My husband’s family spent decades blaming me for his choices, and his refusal to stand up to them obliterated my faith in our relationship.
· Yes, die on this hill. Please consider how his kind of BS will affect your son.
· What’s “ruining society” is this pernicious embedded miasma of misogyny, sexism and hatred. This isn’t an issue of Dad’s demand, but of dealing with a mind-set that demonizes, demeans and subjugates half the human race. It is vile and ugly.
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I think that’s nuts; I want to see the gifts for our son and celebrate the new baby. My dad won’t back down. He went on a rant about this generation of men letting our wives “feminize” us and how it’s ruining society and if I do this he’s going to feel as if he failed as a father. My wife has nothing to do with me wanting to be there, but he won’t listen.
I don’t know whether this is a hill I want to die on, but I also think I’d regret missing our baby shower just because my dad is being an idiot. What should I do?
— Not “A Real Man”
Not “A Real Man”: Amazing how much propaganda has seeped into family connections. Amazing, horrifying and sad.
I’m sorry your dad has lost it. You don’t have to keep arguing with him, though. His question was asked and answered: “Thanks, Dad, but I’ll be at the shower.”
The! End!
Meaning, when he huffs and puffs, you implement one or some of the following: “Yeah, gotta run, talk later,” then hang up/leave. “I gave you my answer. Next topic.” “Interesting.” Change subject. “You’re entitled to your opinion. I am entitled to mine.” Change subject/hang up/leave. “I’m sorry to hear that. You did your job as a parent: I have my own views and stand up for them. Thank you for teaching me courage.” Etc.
Ranting, guilting, shame and refusing to back down are all his concerns, not yours. They’re only yours if you agree to keep listening or feel you have to. “He won’t listen” is irrelevant to your decision, because you attend the shower if you want to. Done.
These are hard steps but well-timed. Raising children requires the backbone to do what you think is right under significant outside pressure to do something else.
Readers’ thoughts:
· Believe me, this is just the start of your dad’s opining on your parenting. Stand up now. I can hear him questioning your manliness if you change a diaper.
· “I’m sorry you feel that way, Dad.” Then decline to engage further — every time he dangles the threat of his displeasure over your choices.
· Your dad is a glassbowl. I’m in my mid-40s, and almost all our friends had coed baby showers. Kids with two dads, single fathers or nonbinary parents shouldn’t be celebrated with showers?
· “You do not get an opinion on this. Next topic.”
· Thinking one is the arbiter of what makes a “real man,” or a “real” anything, is the definition of being a real jerk. Also grounds for losing all credibility.
· PLEASE defend your wife against the malicious remarks undoubtedly coming her way. My husband’s family spent decades blaming me for his choices, and his refusal to stand up to them obliterated my faith in our relationship.
· Yes, die on this hill. Please consider how his kind of BS will affect your son.
· What’s “ruining society” is this pernicious embedded miasma of misogyny, sexism and hatred. This isn’t an issue of Dad’s demand, but of dealing with a mind-set that demonizes, demeans and subjugates half the human race. It is vile and ugly.
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Grow up and grow a pair and tell your father that real men don't let Daddy dictate their life choices, and if he's not okay with that he's welcome to step outside so you two can settle your differences the manly way.
Well, that was fun. Seriously, though, if LW is seriously wondering if he should cave to his father's totally irrational and ludicrous demands about a thing which has nothing to do with him at all then he needs a lot more help than he can get from an advice column, and so does his poor wife. LW needs, at the very least, to sharply limit contact with his father and put the man on a serious information diet. If this man thinks he can forbid his son, a grown man from doing things then he he's got another think coming and this is only going to be solved with distance. Moving to another country would not be a step too far.
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ewwwww.
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LW, you're fine. Go. Have fun. I hope someone made your baby some kind of special blanket or clothing. Those are awesome. Sorry your dad doesn't know how to have fun. My dad has had a blast at the last couple of family showers. (He did feel uncertain going into the first one, then he saw the buffet table and realized this was like every other party he's ever been to. He's 67 for the record.)
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(1) boo fucking hoo
(2) if N’ARM’ goes to the shower then it’s evidence dad somehow managed NOT to fail as a father despite himself