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Lucy ([personal profile] cereta) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2023-03-12 04:25 pm

Carolyn Hax: Feeling Left Out, Mother Dreads Son's Wedding

Dear Carolyn: My son is engaged to a woman I don’t know very well. He asked whether I wanted to contribute to the wedding. I said no — I paid for a third of his college, per our divorce decree, and feel adults old enough to be married are old enough to pay for their own weddings.

Last weekend, his fiancee’s parents, also divorced, hosted a dinner so all the parents could meet. They discussed having a rehearsal dinner, a wedding, and a brunch the following day. Parents are paying for most or all of this.

I am bothered by a few things. To start, I thought a wedding was meant to be a few hours, not a few days. I also feel my ex’s new wife is assuming a role as mother of the groom, calling all the shots for the rehearsal dinner. It was also clear she socializes with my son’s fiancee. Her children are in the wedding party, and I overheard people calling them the groom’s brother and sister. The fiancee and her parents have a much warmer relationship with my ex. If they knew his infidelity broke our marriage, I wonder what they would think of him.

I do wish the couple all the luck in the world, but I dread the wedding. How do I deal with these unsettled feelings?

— Bothered

Bothered: Everything you named is a byproduct, at this point, of holding yourself (or your money) apart from the action.

That means you can change it. But it also means ditching all the “should” before you poison yourself with the anger you hold for your ex, and watch your son’s joy pass you by.

The first “should” to go: "[M]eant to be a few hours.” A wedding is what the couple wants and can finance. Mentally repeat till it sticks: “I am so happy for them.” Plus, couples often want to provide more than “a few hours” of hospitality for out-of-town guests.

Next: Old enough to marry/pay. Great! Absolutely valid opinion, so by all means do live by it. Or pivot and pitch in. Others can live by their different, also valid opinions. Your son apparently took your “no” for an answer graciously. Great stuff.

Next: The fiancee and your ex’s new wife. That stings for you, no doubt — but it’s great for the couple. Warmth is good. So now you have a choice — remain stung or bring more warmth. “Luck” is so arm’s-length.

Next: The infidelity grudge. It was awful, I’m sorry, and broke up your family. It also isn’t binding on these other families. They’re meeting you all in this moment, free to make their own judgments and connections. A clean(er) slate could serve you, too.

Feeding your sense of what “should” happen keeps you out of step with what’s actually happening. Please give yourself a hard shake, like an Etch A Sketch, and try approaching this wedding clean.

Readers’ thoughts:

· My mom was cash-strapped and very self-conscious, so I didn’t ask for any money. Instead I asked her to help me find a dress. Answer: no. I asked her to help me decide on flowers. Answer: no. She spent most of the reception sitting apart on the patio. It’s a sad memory. I wanted her to be part of the day, but her guilt over not being able to contribute financially made her feel undeserving.

· I might suggest therapy. It sounds as if you’re dealing with a lot of unresolved anger and a sense of betrayal over the end of your marriage, understandably.
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[personal profile] melannen 2023-03-12 09:50 pm (UTC)(link)
As far as I can tell, she wants her son and his fiancee and her family to dislike her ex and his new family as much as she does, without having to do anything to build a better relationship with them herself, and this is making her unhappy about the wedding. I think Carolyn's advice is good here - if she wants to be able to enjoy the wedding without mixed feelings, she needs to ditch the bitterness about the ex first of all. Or, alternatively, fix the mixed feelings by deciding that she values the bitterness more than her child's joy, and spend the wedding happily stewing in the bitterness.

(She also sounds like she's probably a miserable person generally, which may explain everyone's preference for the ex, but that's not the problem she's asking for help with.)
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[personal profile] ashbet 2023-03-12 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, she wants to hold onto the grudge, and she's upset that other people aren't.

(Trust me, I am BITTER about one ex in particular -- but if we shared a child, I'd find a way to co-parent effectively. Even though she's 30 now, my daughter's father and I are still on good terms.)

Her actions are pushing her son away, so she needs to decide whether it's more important to hold onto old wounds, or work on repairing that relationship.

(Even if she didn't PAY for any of the wedding, she could have chosen to pitch in and reach out in other ways. It doesn't sound like she actively made an effort to be involved.)
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[personal profile] melannen 2023-03-13 05:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, yeah, for the record I don't think being bitter about the ex is necessarily what makes her a miserable person by itself, and it's 100% valid to have emotional issues with being in a wedding where your perfidious ex is going to be everywhere, but there's plenty of other hints in the letter that she's probably not fun to spend time with at the moment - including the very first line where she makes it clear that the concept of "generosity" is completely foreign to her.
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[personal profile] conuly 2023-03-13 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
which, every wedding I've ever been involved in has had at least a rehearsal dinner

I think I read once* that they're very much an American custom.

LW's use of the phrase "meant to" to mean "supposed to" strikes me as non-American.

Could this be a cross-pond culture clash?

* Ah, yes, that most vaunted and reliable of all citations!
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[personal profile] movingfinger 2023-03-13 06:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Isn't it an old customary thing with American weddings anyway that the bride's family hosts/pays for the wedding and the groom's family host/pay for the rehearsal dinner (and something else I think---favors for the wedding party? Which used to be an important courtesy item---gloves at least, richer folk might give watches, a nice piece of jewelry, etc.)

She should have hosted the rehearsal-night dinner, is what I'm saying. The LW is letting their shoulds get in the way of realities.
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[personal profile] rmc28 2023-03-12 10:55 pm (UTC)(link)

Her children are in the wedding party, and I overheard people calling them the groom’s brother and sister.

Just possibly, your son has decided to think of them as his brother and sister, or just finds it less of a mouthful than including the step- prefix. Why are you so angry about him welcoming these children into his family? (especially if they are still actually children by age).

I have four stepsiblings, all acquired in adulthood and after my own marriage, and no we didn't grow up together but they're part of my family now.

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[personal profile] likeaduck 2023-03-12 10:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I mean, it sucks to realise you don't have close relationship with someone you want to have that with, and other people have closer ones. It's on some level common and normal to feel like the problem is those relationships overstepping, if you feel entitled to be the closest circle. But that's not going to get you what you want. What would in this case? You say your kid is marrying someone you don't know very well, you're jealous of her socialising with your kid's other parent's family...have you tried to get to know her? Have you tried to know your son very much? Maybe start there.
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[personal profile] serriadh 2023-03-15 11:32 am (UTC)(link)
Exactly this. I feel LW hasn't considered there might be a link between 'my son is marring someone I hardly know' and 'my son seems closer to other people than to me'.
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[personal profile] lavendertook 2023-03-13 09:41 am (UTC)(link)
It’s Hax, so of course it’s such excellent advice. I don’t know if I could have gotten through my initial reaction of "what a mean, striveled little person you are--just leave everyone trying to be happy alone!” But after reading the advice, I looked back at LW’s last line asking what to do with her feelings and am getting the empathy Carolyn is extending her on how to be more generous of feeling. Someone truly set in their ways wouldn’t end with realizing her feelings are a problem and ask what to do with them--she isn’t turning her anger or even jealousy into blaming others. She’s just stuck. May she take the advice she’s gotten to heart. I wish the bride or groom were as generous as the first reader who tried to get her mom involved in other ways than money--she needs someone generous in her life to pull her into the dance and another who sits in the corner with her who says, “Go! Go dance!” Doesn’t everybody?