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Lucy ([personal profile] cereta) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2018-03-31 01:58 pm

Ask Amy: Work email salutation is for 'gentlemen' only

The following is a rerun from 2015.

Dear Amy: I recently started working for a new company in a pretty heavily male-dominated field.

On certain emails sent to large groups of co-workers, I've noticed that my colleagues address the email to "Gentlemen."

There are clearly at least two females cc'd on most of these emails.

I feel as though the emails are not addressed to me with this greeting; I believe that it is old-fashioned and offensive. Do you have thoughts on how to address this -- without ruffling feathers or coming off the wrong way?

-- No Gentleman

Dear No: When composing a professional group email, the writer needs to imagine the intended recipients gathered together in a conference room.

It is not professional (or polite) to address a group of colleagues -- where at least one is a woman -- as "Gentlemen."

One option for you now is to compose a group email addressed to your colleagues with the salutation: "Ladies."

Ah, but you and I know that you probably cannot do this.

Alternatively, perhaps you could send out a group email to your work group with the subject line, "A Quick Suggestion."

In the body of the email you could write: "It would be helpful (certainly to me) if we could address emails to our working group as 'Colleagues' or a similar gender-neutral term. I don't speak for the other women in our group, but when I am included on emails addressed to 'Gentlemen,' I'm sometimes unsure if they are intended for me."

If you are not willing to do this -- or are unable to -- because of your position, you could ask your supervisor or HR representative for suggestions on how to handle this salutation situation. This is not the biggest (or the most sexist) issue you will encounter, but you should react honestly.
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[personal profile] moem 2018-04-01 12:39 pm (UTC)(link)
I have repeatedly tried using "Excuse me please people!" and "Excuse me please folks!", but that just gets utterly ignored, whereas "guys" gets their attention straight away.
Whoa, that's... odd. Where in the world is this?
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[personal profile] lilysea 2018-04-01 12:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Australia.

A psychologist (who I think is US based) suggested on her blog when I asked her about it:

"Don't know, but would hypothesize that it's simply more conventional to use "guys" in hailing people than "people" or "folks", so people are more likely to recognize that they're being hailed when you use it.

Hailing == attention getting announcement, used for when people aren't particularly paying attention to you and you need them to start doing so.

I would recommend trying this: swap the order to, "Hey guys! Excuse me please!" If "guys" is a more effective hailing cue, it will be even more effective if you put it before the instruction."
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[personal profile] xenacryst 2018-04-02 05:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, playing this in my head, I definitely hear "Hey guys!" as a more emphatic statement than "Hey folks!" I can quite easily imagine a context and delivery in which "guys" is perceived as attention-getting and bordering on confrontational (which is what you want when the able-bodied are being clueless), where "folks" is more low key and "oh, you don't have to worry, I'll do all the work."