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purlewe ([personal profile] purlewe) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2022-09-12 01:35 pm

Getting my coworkers to stop calling me by a nickname

I am transgender, and I semi-recently changed my name to one I love — it’s old-fashioned and stately. For the purposes of anonymity, I’ll say Josiah. Before I legally changed my name, I went by a more gender-neutral nickname (let’s say Jo) among friends.


I have introduced myself as Josiah to every single employee at my organization. My name on my email and Zoom is Josiah. Unfortunately, I knew a few of my coworkers before I started working here, and they knew me as Jo, and somehow the nickname has caught on among all 100+ people who work here. I briefly correct people (“actually, I prefer Josiah in a professional context”) on an individual basis, but nobody seems to remember the correction even five minutes after we have the conversation. It feels weird to have my coworkers call me by the same affectionate nickname that my partner uses, but it would feel weirder to send out a mass email to correct people for calling me by something that is, technically, my name!

 


Is it reasonable that being called by my more gender-neutral nickname instead of my more obviously masculine full name raises my hackles, or am I being over-sensitive to nonexistent transphobia? Should I keep correcting people briefly and individually and assuming they won’t remember? Do I just have to deal with this?

 


Answer:
You shouldn’t have to deal with this; you should be called the name you’ve asked to be called. It sounds like the problem might be the people who knew you as Jo before you started; if other people hear them calling you Jo, they’ll assume it’s a nickname you use. (I realize this doesn’t explain the people you’ve corrected who don’t seem to be able to retain the correction, but it’s got to be playing a role.) Can you talk to the people you knew before you started, explain the situation, and ask them to be more mindful that you do not use Jo anymore?

 


I wouldn’t say “I prefer Josiah in a professional context” since that’s probably inadvertently reinforcing that you do use Jo in other contexts … which is likely muddying things. Stick with a clear, firm “Josiah, not Jo, please” or “It’s Josiah” every time someone messes up and it’s likely that people will get it in time.

 

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[personal profile] green_grrl 2022-09-12 07:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I don’t think it’s necessarily transphobia so much as people immediately jump to nicknames. Every Patricia instantly becomes Patty; every Robert is instantly Bob, Bobby, the Bobster, Bob-a-rino. And I agree with Alison, it will be a losing battle if there are 5 people at work who can call LW Jo—ask them to set an example with Josiah at work, and they can Jo it up outside of work.
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[personal profile] ashbet 2022-09-12 07:51 pm (UTC)(link)
My Dad and brother were both "James" and absolutely LOATHED people who called them "Jim."

It's honestly really presumptuous.

I go by a self-chosen nickname -- Andi -- because I got so tired of people mispronouncing my given name of "Andrea" (I have one of the less-common pronunciations), so of course people misspell it as "Andy," even though my name is in my e-mail .sig line, it's the name I use on FB, etc.

The difference is that it's not a racial, sexual, or gender-based microaggression, and I *really* feel for the OP here.
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[personal profile] green_grrl 2022-09-12 09:11 pm (UTC)(link)
My sister is AnDREa, because she’s Italian, not a valley girl. :D Never Andi, though; Dre for family.
Edited 2022-09-12 21:12 (UTC)
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[personal profile] ashbet 2022-09-12 09:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Hers is closer to mine, it sounds like!

I’m “AHN-dree-uh,” not “AND-ree-uh” or “Ahn-DRAY-ah.” (I suspect that your sister is the last one.)

I was born in France (to US parents), and they didn’t quite give me the French pronunciation (more like “OHN-ray-ah,” with almost no audible “d”), but mine is definitely not one of the top two US pronunciations.
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[personal profile] conuly 2022-09-12 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)
The thing is, we can't eliminate transphobia from consideration. It's in that creepy liminal space where it MIGHT be this or it MIGHT be that, and honestly, that's gotta be at least as stressful as knowing for sure.
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[personal profile] kindkit 2022-09-12 11:06 pm (UTC)(link)
And certain people are very good at deliberately inhabiting that liminal space. A former co-worker of mine tried to avoid using any pronouns for me after I came out as trans, and it was infuriating because it was so obvious but so, so deniable. (Finally she did it one too many times, during a meeting that was tense already, and I told her to cut it out and she said she felt "attacked" by my tone and eventually HR got involved. It turned out okay, and her eventually leaving was nothing to do with me as far as I know, but it was not fun.)

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[personal profile] katiedid717 2022-09-12 08:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I totally get this. My parents named me Katherine with the intention of calling me Katie, but I realized fairly early (like, ago 20) that there was a huge difference in how I was perceived professionally as Katherine versus Katie. Of course, going by Katherine meant people would shorten it however they wanted which just...was not ideal.

In 2014 I decided to start going by Kate instead of Katie, and I figured it wouldn't be too bad since my friends and family called me Kate half the time anyway (who needs extra syllables)? Somehow, this has turned into an 8 year battle where people who previously called me Kate all the time now "slip" and call me Katie. And then they get annoyed when I remind them that my name is Kate.

I really feel for this LW.
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[personal profile] cereta 2022-09-12 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
It's very weird: in 35ish years as "Rebecca," I never stopped getting called "Becky" (which I left behind in college) unless I gave another nickname. And yet, when I finally just decided to be "Lucy" at work as well as in fandom and socially, people I had worked with for ages just...switched. No big deal. That said, I do get the odd "Luce." So I do think people just kind of...shorten names and try to find what sounds less formal. Doing when you've asked them not to even once is just rude, though.
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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2022-09-13 03:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Apropos of naught you have an awesome name. :)
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[personal profile] jadelennox 2022-09-12 06:25 pm (UTC)(link)

[Disclaimer: all my examples are about anglo names; variants of the same problem occur with non-anglo names that have different diminutive rules. Though a lot of languages have stricter rules about who can use a diminutive by default (Russian, for example).]

the thing is, even if this only inadvertently has a transphobic microagressive side effect, it's unprofessional no matter what. I have been sometimes called by a diminiutive of my name (eg. Jadie, I suppose), and I haven't answered to that diminutive by anyone other than a tiny subset of blood relatives since I was 14 years old.

I just tell people "my name is Jade, thanks; I don't answer to Jadie" and it works with almost everyone.

That being said shortenings rather than diminutives, especially common ones, are harder to remember. I can always recall who doesn't want to be a Becky or a Johnny, but I often after to correct myself on Jess/Jessica and Mike/Michael. We're so used to standard name shortenings that the speaker often doesn't think of them as a nickname.

Just firmly and politely repeat "My name is Josiah, thanks". If people persist after repeated asks it might be transphobia, but it's hard to tell out of context.

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[personal profile] lethe1 2022-09-12 07:43 pm (UTC)(link)
But Jo and Joe sound the same, no? I don't think it's transphobia, just laziness.
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[personal profile] ashbet 2022-09-12 09:37 pm (UTC)(link)
“Jo” is the name they’re using as an example, their real name is something else, so we can’t count on it being a sound-alike.

Even if others aren’t being INTENTIONALLY transphobic, the impact is still there — OP has to wonder, every time someone calls him by something other than his chosen name, if the person is just being inconsiderate or is doing it on purpose to invalidate his gender.

That constant state of limbo and motive-guessing is, frankly, exhausting.

The end result is a series of microaggressions, even if the people around OP are just being sloppy and rude.
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[personal profile] lethe1 2022-09-13 12:32 am (UTC)(link)
Ah yes, I had missed it wasn't the actual name used.
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[personal profile] cimorene 2022-09-12 07:39 pm (UTC)(link)
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[personal profile] ysobel 2022-09-12 08:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't understand people who impose nicknames on other people (esp in professional/adult contexts; terms of endearment are different). I hired a caregiver recently who introduced herself as "XYZ but most people call me X" (like Josiah/Jo) and I asked her which version she preferred because names matter.

It's not clear whether this situation is about gender neutrality or just nicknames; if they were David, people would probably call them Dave. But at the same time I can see why the gender thing makes it more ouchy.
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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2022-09-13 07:22 am (UTC)(link)
Ah the Nicknamers. Some nickname as a sign of friendship, others as part of fitting people into their personal world schema. Either way it can be really annoying.
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[personal profile] chiasmata 2022-09-12 09:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I’m really uncomfortable with the number of people commenting to say it’s not transphobia because xyz. If the OP can smell transphobia, it’s not for you to say he’s wrong.
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[personal profile] torachan 2022-09-12 10:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah. A lot of people do get called by a nickname or shortened form of their name when they don't want to, but the fact that the nickname the LW is getting called is gender-neutral does make me wonder if transphobia is contributing to it. He doesn't say anything about how he looks, and if he is anything other than 100% cis passing then transphobia is definitely a huge factor in this. Even if he does pass, if his coworkers know that he's trans, then again, there is definitely transphobia at play here. Maybe not from everyone, but from a lot of people, including the people who knew him before and refuse to change what they're calling him.
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[personal profile] kindkit 2022-09-12 10:51 pm (UTC)(link)
What I wonder is whether they're getting his pronouns right. When I came out at work at the beginning of my transition, I didn't change my gender-neutral nickname (still haven't and don't plan to), so I haven't experienced the name problem the way LW has. What I have experienced is a LOT of pronoun avoidance as well as accidental/"accidental" wrong pronouns (including they/them, because a lot of cis people seem to think that's okay even though my pronouns are he/him).

If co-workers are getting his pronouns right, he might want to look at explanations other than transphobia in at least some cases. If they're not, then I agree that transphobia is certainly the problem.
Edited (to fix a typo) 2022-09-12 22:51 (UTC)
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[personal profile] chiasmata 2022-09-13 06:08 am (UTC)(link)
I think the pronouns question is really interesting.
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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2022-09-13 03:19 pm (UTC)(link)
*takes notes*
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[personal profile] chiasmata 2022-09-13 06:08 am (UTC)(link)
Exactly!
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[personal profile] melannen 2022-09-12 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
There's complicated things with names and nicknames that I think a lot of online/social justice discourse doesn't touch. There are communities where being called by a name you didn't choose is a sign of *respect* from the community, and there are communities where being called by a name you didn't choose is a sign of *disrepect*. And there are of course a lot of more complicated cases too, and also cases where it doesn't matter. But if you get them mixed up, you'll run into trouble. Rejecting a nickname that was given to you out of disrespect is exerting boundaries. Rejecting a nickname that was given to you as a marker of inclusion is a rejection of the group. (Sometimes it can be both.)

Online I basically use this screenname for everything and never mention a nickname/preferred short version, but I've joined fandom communities where people calling me by a shortened version of my screenname made me feel like I was a real part of the community at last, and I've joined fandom communities where people calling me a shortened version of my screenname gave me the heebie-jeebies, and I can't really tell you how I knew the difference except, just, ~vibes~ But I do think that if you walk the world believing that anybody who isn't super careful to only call you one known specific preferred name is being disrespectful, you're going to miss out on a lot of stuff. So I don't really like that answer.

For LW, I'd say step one is to pay attention to how your other coworkers are named: is this an environment where calling people by shortened names is very common? Does calling someone by the full name they use in correspondence stand out? Are they using short names as a marker of the level of formality of a conversation or the relationship you have? Are there any coworkers you're comfortable with to actually bring this up on a deeper level than just 'Please call me Josiah'? (i.e., 'Everyone here calls me by [name] even though I always correct them. Is this a work culture thing here? Does that happen to other people?' isn't an odd thing to ask a coworker at the water cooler. I've had that discussion. Repeatedly, usually after a coworker learns work is literally the only place I use the name I use there.) Sometimes the use of shortenings for complicated ingroup reasons really is so ingrained that the easiest thing is to redirect to a nickname you hate less.

On the other hand if it's just you, there might be an underlying transphobia thing. If you're the only one, it might be worth at least mentioning it to a supervisor and asking their advice - even if it's not helpful it'll at least give you the temperature of the management on this issue.

Or it might just be a weird thing where a nickname sticks despite everyone's effort, that just happens to some people sometime. Step one is to ask your supervisor and then everyone you know well to please make a special effort to avoid Jo at work, and step two is to stop answering at all with anything but a correction (and if Josiah is new but you've been using Jo for a long time, and it's still what you're commonly called outside work, people might be cuing to your subconscious signals that you answer to it faster, so you can also work on deliberately putting out body language that Jo is not you.)