minoanmiss: A little doll dressed as a Minoan girl (Minoan Child)
minoanmiss ([personal profile] minoanmiss) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2019-10-15 02:25 pm

Dear Prudence: Mom Threatens To Baptize Child Against Father's Will

Not very long but I'm cutting it anyway. Dear Prudence,
I’m Jewish by conversion, having been raised in a conservative Christian environment. My parents are generally good, even mostly liberal these days. However, my mom has directly told my mother-in-law (also a Christian) that she would have any child of mine baptized against my will. My wife is not pregnant, but this offends me deeply, terrifies me, and honestly is making it difficult to even be sexually intimate with my wife for fear of this. What do I do?
—Religious Kidnapping


You have every right to be angry and offended about this promise to directly contravene your rights as a parent and your Jewish faith. In the short term, you and your wife can talk about how you want to respond to this and how you two can back each other up when your respective families try to butt in, and have more concrete conversations about what sort of religious training, if any, you two would want your future children to receive. I don’t know if your wife is also Jewish or to what degree she supports your conversion, but she should be your first choice for discussion and support right now. In the long term, you can tell your mother that her ability to spend even supervised time with any children of yours will entirely depend on whether she’s able to commit to agreeing not to kidnap and forcibly baptize them. If she can’t do that (or even if you suspect her agreement is superficial and an attempt to get you off her back), then she won’t be given the opportunity to take any children of yours anywhere. The choice is hers.
watersword: Keira Knightley, in Pride and Prejudice (2007), turning her head away from the viewer, the word "elizabeth" written near (Default)

Re: n.b.

[personal profile] watersword 2019-10-16 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
You're thinking of the Mortara case, I think, and I do want to point out that kidnapping, forced conversion, and adoption by Christians of Jewish children was also something that happened during the Shoah (and let's not get into the lack of fucks given by the Roman Catholic church about Jews in general; they could barely bring themselves to care about people with Jewish ancestry who had converted to the RC Church), and a fun element of the growing interest in genealogy is people discovering their ancestors were conversos under the Inquisition.

(I'm probably not going to be engage with any kind of comment thread, I'm sorry, this is apparently pushing some buttons for me.)
watersword: Keira Knightley, in Pride and Prejudice (2007), turning her head away from the viewer, the word "elizabeth" written near (Default)

Re: n.b.

[personal profile] watersword 2019-10-16 05:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm genuinely surprised by how upsetting I'm finding this letter! I don't think I'm normally a "do not pass Go, do not collect 200 dollars, burn this relationship to the ground" person but I am having a really hard time imagining the LW and their parent finding a way past this watershed.
jadelennox: Judeo-Christian pancake party. Judaism is practice based; Christianity is faith-based. (From cat and girl) (religion: judeo christianity)

Re: n.b.

[personal profile] jadelennox 2019-10-18 03:08 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I remember trying to explain to non-Jewish friends why the LDS continuing to posthumously baptize Holocaust victims left me shaking with fury. To my friends I think it was gross and anti-semiticly tacky; to me it was... much worse.