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petrea_mitchell ([personal profile] petrea_mitchell) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2024-07-08 09:56 am

Miss Manners: Remote work has destroyed my dating life

Actual headline: Work-from-home employee mourns missed chances to meet women

Dear Miss Manners: You’ve always advised against mixing social life with work, although I’m not sure why. And now I read that the generation entering the workforce agrees with you, and is not particularly interested in having work friends.

Hey, I miss my office friends now that we're working from home! Work was also where I met women. I met my ex-wife at a previous job. (Sure, we all know you're not supposed to date at the office, but we all do.)

I like my job, but the higher-ups are okay with people coming in just once or twice a week. So when people do come in, they need to spend the time looking like they’re really working, if you know what I mean, and not being friendly like we used to.

Frankly, I'm lonely a lot of time, and I bet I'm not the only one. I tried going to coffee shops where people work during the day, but they're all pounding away on their laptops or yapping on the phone. I can't just break in and get acquainted.

What do you suggest? I’m tired of having only virtual “friends,” who are probably not even who they say they are.


What about those work friends whom you miss? Don’t you see them after work hours? And if not, were they really friends? Or just agreeable co-workers?

Yes, real friendships are sometimes made at work. Miss Manners' caution was to apply a test: If you were fired, would they still be your friends? Or, in your case: If they don't see you as a matter of course, will they make an effort to see you?

Even without the pandemic, we would have been due for a reaction against the all-work-and-no-play pattern that was prevalent. Or rather, all-work-and-work-related-play. Work, including after-hours gatherings and retreats, was expected to trump personal commitments and obligations. People felt defined by, and defined one another by, their jobs, with family- or child-related work the least rewarded.

At the same time, society's social structures fell into disuse. Wives whose husbands had supported the family entered the workforce themselves and no longer had time to run the social, civic and religious activities that threw people together.

Businesses tried to turn this to their advantage, setting up after-hours drinks and retreats to promote pseudo-socializing among employees. But the pandemic made many people realize that they might prefer to spend time with those they had chosen themselves — such as their families — rather than with whomever their employer had happened to hire. But you enjoyed such associations and found them a source of friendships. Now that this has been withdrawn, you are on your own.

The comfort Miss Manners can offer you is that such work patterns were so common that there must be others in your position. Starting with those work friends, take the initiative in organizing informal get-togethers, and encourage them to bring others.
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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2024-07-08 08:02 pm (UTC)(link)
and as an aside, how people will turn around and try to make you feel shitty for doing this kind of work, like saying it is "low status" or a sign that people don't like you enough to do it for you).

ugh I hate that so very much.
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[personal profile] ioplokon 2024-07-09 05:18 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah. I like hosting (tho not the cleanup) & think it's something more guys would enjoy if they did, but apparently people have weird hangups about it.

(I'm sure this attitude is not exclusive to men, but that's where I've encountered it and it does seem a bit like a This Whole Thing Smacks of Gender situation...)
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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2024-07-09 09:37 am (UTC)(link)

Yeha, I've seen what you describe. I've seen women deride Being The One Who Gets People Together in a I Don't Want To Do It So I'll Say It Sucks way, and men deride it as Girly Therefore Weak And Unworthy way. Sigh.

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[personal profile] full_metal_ox 2024-07-09 10:20 pm (UTC)(link)
And then, if the string should break, watch the friend group snap and scatter like so many beads.
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[personal profile] castiron 2024-07-09 08:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Even before we had to turn the living room into a kid's bedroom, Spouse never wanted to have people over; the piles of clutter that don't bother him day-to-day suddenly become a problem when he knows other people will see them.