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minoanmiss ([personal profile] minoanmiss) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2021-08-06 12:40 pm

Dear Prudence: I’m Caring for My Father, Who’s Homophobic and Has Dementia. He Keeps Forgetting That

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My father is 83 and has advanced dementia and Alzheimer’s. Because of the pandemic, I didn’t want to worry about him in a home somewhere, so I brought him to my home a little more than a year ago. He is very conservative, and we have had our political battles over the years, but I have resigned to let all of those go and try to enjoy the time we have left together. But I live at home with my husband (I am gay). My husband has really been very tolerant and understanding of the situation, bless him.

Every day, though, it feels like I am coming out again to my father. It never goes well. My husband has graciously stowed all the wedding pictures and tries not to show physical affection, but I feel it is so unfair to him to have to go to those lengths. And without fail, when my father pieces together that we’re married, there is a long bitter tirade about homosexuality. I have tried support groups and his doctors, but they really don’t offer any solution other than to bear it for just a little longer. Am I making a mistake in letting my husband help out in the way that he has, or should I find a way, any way, to make it through the final time my father has left?

—Overwhelmed


Dear Overwhelmed,

I asked for help with this one because, well, as you know better than anyone, this is a very painful and difficult situation. And I couldn’t see a clear solution.

You mentioned that a year ago, you weren’t comfortable with putting your father in a nursing home because of the pandemic. Still, several people who responded to my request for input suggested that you do move your father into a memory care facility. If you’re open to it now that these places are less likely to be on lockdown (and if you have an extra $3,000-$6,000 a month sitting around), this would be wonderful for everyone involved. Your dad could be safe and cared for elsewhere, and you could pop in to see him and chat about the weather (and avoid all conversation about his politics and worldview) once a week or however often you felt was necessary. And you and your husband—who potentially could never have to see your dad again—could enjoy the peaceful, homophobia-free home life you deserve.

If that’s not an option for whatever reason, I think you should start with something many people suggested, which is not exactly a solution but a helpful way to think about the problem—and is actually something you hinted at in your letter: Make your husband the priority here. You say he’s been tolerant, but “tolerant” doesn’t mean happy. For all we know, he could be at the end of his rope. For the sake of your relationship, make sure he understands how much you care about the experience he’s having and defer to him on the best way to approach your dilemma:

I know the LW is being a dutiful son, but I feel like it is coming at the expense of being a loving husband. While his husband is trying his best, I worry about resentment slowly building up under the surface. —[profile] dfsingleton

1/2: It’s not clear if he’s deferred to his husband much (it sounds like he hasn’t), but he should def. talk about this with—and *get buy-in from*—his husband. And remember to genuinely thank him & apologize to him for subjecting him to this. —[profile] ajc84

Make sure you and husband are speaking openly about “options” and feelings. Don’t let husband feel he can’t raise it, question it, discuss it. Empower your husband to feel agency in this situation. —[profile] charisophia


It may be that your husband wants—reasonably—to stop hiding your wedding photos, be honest about who he is, and stand up for himself.

LW and his husband need to be who they are and live how they live—even if it means a daily battle with dad (which is already happening anyway). —[profile] dfsingleton

Seems like, in absence of better options like placing him in a new care facility, he should empower his husband to respond however he feels is best and support him. So, if his husband no longer wants to pretend for the sake of keeping the peace or put back up their wedding photos —[profile] byjoelanderson

… Or even wants to engage him more assertively, then he should empower his husband to do that. It seems like it’s been one-sided long enough, and it’s time for his husband to get comfortable expressing himself again. As for his pops even he doesn’t have to be nice to him anymore. —[profile] byjoelanderson


Or, perhaps your husband is nonconfrontational, has a lot of empathy for your dad, or doesn’t think it’s a huge burden to hide part of his identity from someone who is struggling and won’t be here for long. I don’t know him so I can’t say, but another option you have is to just avoid the homophobia issue by living a lie:

If the guys can stomach it, I’d vote for lying to the homophobic dad. There’s zero chance he’s going to become less homophobic, and none of the people involved need him to go on awful rants every day. The dad is only going to notice less and less, so the lying won’t go on forever —[profile] daniel_laurison

Of course, there may be a middle ground. A few people suggested giving yourself a deadline to reevaluate, or placing limits on the time you spend with your dad or the area of the home he inhabits:

I tend to find things easier with an end date. Could the couple decide to keep going on as-is for a year? If the dad is still mentally aware enough to be homophobic, then they drop the act and give dad his own “apartment” area of the house where the husband doesn’t need to be —[profile] followdontpost

Heartbreaking situation. My advice would be focus on short-haul practical solutions: Time with your husband, focused on each other. I’d lay out the funds (if they’re there) for extra help at home, x hrs/week, so you and husband can reconnect, get away, close a door. —[profile] charisophia


I feel like these boundaries might be hard to enforce and living in the grey area could be difficult. So, I think [profile] daniel_laurison got it right when he said you should go all in: either get all the way back in the closet or be all the way open and confront and correct your dad daily: “if I were actually writing an advice column, I’d summarize - there are two viable choices, all-the-way-out or full-on-lying. Halfway isn’t working and seems to make everyone miserable. So look at the pros & cons of lying to avoid Dad yelling, vs being out & getting rants.”

Again, I think your husband—who doesn’t have any of the love for this man that you do and could leave at any time—should be the one to make the call. As [profile] charisophia put it: “Your husband is the ‘more important’ person than Dad. You may have a moral duty to see that dad is safe and cared for. You have a higher duty to yourself and husband to ensure your marriage is strong and lasts for years. If it ever comes down to it, vote for your marriage.”

And unlike your father, he’ll remember everything.
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[personal profile] bikergeek 2021-08-06 07:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm imagining a scenario in which I would have had to care for my dad and just ... no. (For those who don't know me that well, my dad was homophobic, transphobic, racist, anti-semitic, blah blah blah .... )
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[personal profile] cereta 2021-08-06 07:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Same here.
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[personal profile] lemonsharks 2021-08-06 08:11 pm (UTC)(link)

Same.

An ultimatum would have been issued after the first incident, and after the second I would have been gone.

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[personal profile] petra 2021-08-06 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I can imagine *trying* to live with this, but it would be a nightmare. The LW's husband is astonishing, I agree.
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[personal profile] conuly 2021-08-06 09:21 pm (UTC)(link)
YEAH.
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[personal profile] conuly 2021-08-06 09:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Even if we were putting aside the bigotry, the sooner you can get your dementia patient into permanent care, the better. Everybody says that the longer you wait, the harder the adjustment will be, because they're less able to understand the change. I know the pandemic made things harder, but....
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[personal profile] purlewe 2021-08-06 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah this one was heartbreaking. And I know people in dementia care have NOT been doing well bc of COVID and no interaction outside their rooms.. It is a hard call. But at least the dementia care folks know what all it entails to deal with someone who is losing their faculties. My cousin is a full time ER nurse and even he couldn't keep his dad at home with Alzheimer's bc he wasn't prepared the way dementia care nursing worked (as well as full time care at work + full time care at home =150% exhausted)

ideas.. All of my ideas are $$$$$$ they get care for the dad and have getaway week/weekends together. If the husband wants his own place for right now I can see that being helpful to him as well as if LW wants to go someplace that is Dad free. Another idea getting a place with a separate living space for dad. That way there is a clear "our" side of the house and "dad's" side of the house/apt etc.

I truly see that it sounds like a choice between the husband or the dad. And in many ways I say stick with husband bc your dad was always like this. And the other thing I see is no matter what decision he makes it will be expensive. Bc end of life care is expensive and dementia care adds to that. I feel like the advice columnist didn't mention a great resource called A Place For Mom, which is a senior care referral place who would have WAY more answers than someone who has never had to deal with this before.
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[personal profile] lavendertook 2021-08-07 03:27 am (UTC)(link)
It’s an impossible call. it sounds like he loves his dad despite the homophobia and it’s not just a sense of duty. And his partner needs to focus on how much he loves LW to stay dealing with this hell in or out of the closet.

Normally, I’d say get him in care and out of your home, but any group/institutional home situation is so dangerous, even now with the vaccines as long as delta is raging and worse mutations can pop up at any time. Even if it’s just duty and not love, could he live with himself if his dad caught COVID in the institution that lead to long haul conditions that lead to his decline and death? His partner has to picture being in that position every day to maintain sympathy for and patience with LW as their home remains on hiatus as a place that is not home as long as LW’s dad lives or COVID is finally contained, whichever comes first.

Terrible choice.
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[personal profile] jadelennox 2021-08-07 11:03 pm (UTC)(link)

Agreed that it's impossible. And a care situation depends on where he lives and his financial situation, even in non-covid times. Most residential facilities are not at all good for residents, and many of the decent ones are extremely expensive. (I am not condemning anyone who makes the choice to use one, not at all. My sister spent the last years of her life in a mercifully excellent and government-paid residential facility, and though I'll spend the rest of my life second guessing it, I still believe it was the right choice for her.)

It's not a solution with a right answer. It's an awful, awful, unbearable choice, for both LW and his husband, and I hope they have support networks and therapy. And if he puts his dad into a facility and his dad dies, that might end or poison the marriage as well. Grief is complicated and messy and doesn't follow rules of fairness.

But also... why didn't Prudie suggest in-home care? If they can afford it, then bringing in a vaccinated personal care assistant or three (well-paid, because it sounds like Alzheimer's dad would be a crap patient) could make a world of difference. Then LW and husband can spend more time elsewhere, and -- if their home is big enough -- can just make part of their home off limits to dad. And it's vastly more humane than residential care.

Edited 2021-08-07 23:04 (UTC)
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[personal profile] movingfinger 2021-08-07 03:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Get Dad vaccinated and find a memory care unit for him, LW, if you value your marriage at all. Whatever crap you put up with as a kid from your father is not crap that you need to visit upon your spouse and yourself now.
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[personal profile] naath 2021-08-07 08:22 pm (UTC)(link)
nope. (my) Dad can sell his house and go live in a suitable nursing situation. No fuckin' way would I put up with him in my house for more than a day. nuh huh. Why does LW persist in this agony? The inheritance is not worth it.