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minoanmiss ([personal profile] minoanmiss) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2021-05-06 11:55 am

Ask a Teacher: I Just Discovered My Husband Lies to His Students



My partner is a middle school teacher known for establishing a rapport with “difficult” students and advocating for BIPOC and LGBTQ kids. When he answered a call from a parent one evening, I overheard him talking about his sister. I confronted him about this after he got off the phone, because he does not actually have a sister. He told me that he tells stories about imaginary siblings, cousins, and other family members to connect with his students. I told him this was bizarre, probably unethical, and that I wouldn’t participate in these lies if asked a direct question by one of his students or fellow teachers. I think the lies put his entire career at risk, but he says they’re harmless and unlikely to be discovered. (He’s not on social media, which helps, but students have looked up our home address online and could easily find information on his relatives.) What’s your take on this? I’m not in education, but I find the whole situation baffling and don’t know what to do.


—Would You Lie to Them, Honey?

Whether or not your partner’s behavior is unethical is an interesting question; I suppose the answer lies in how important the truth is to you. Your letter reminds me of a strategy my friend, who is an attorney, used for many years. He was fond of using this quote from Oliver Wendell Holmes in his closing arguments: “The law is man’s feeble attempt to be fair.” Juries found this aphorism very persuasive, but Oliver Wendell Holmes never actually said it! My friend doesn’t remember where he heard the expression (I think it may be paraphrased from Bonfire of the Vanities)—but assigning it to Holmes lent the message authority, and juries therefore responded to it. Likewise, your partner probably believes his stories about imaginary relatives convey a “truth” that resonates more than an anecdote about a friend, colleague, or hypothetical person could. Is it honest? No. Will it jeopardize his career? I doubt it. If I were a principal, and a student or parent complained that a teacher was sharing stories about fake family members, I’d probably shrug and continue working on the school budget. Maybe I’d have a conversation with the teacher, but I wouldn’t consider it a fireable offense.

That said, his credibility with his students is another story. If his students discover that your partner’s stories are not real, your partner might lose the credibility and trust he’s worked hard to establish. “Difficult” students are often “difficult” because of trauma induced by the adults in their lives, which makes it harder for them to put their faith in teachers. More generally, middle schoolers entering adolescence naturally become increasingly skeptical of adults. Educators admonish kids to be honest, and so students may view your partner’s fibs as evidence of hypocrisy.

I don’t think you have to do anything at all but let your partner decide whether he should continue to tell tales about imaginary sisters. Of course, you are under no obligation to affirm his stories if you do meet a student or colleague who asks about them. They are his fibs, so he alone is responsible for any fallout.

—Ms. Holbrook (high school teacher, Texas)
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[personal profile] melannen 2021-05-06 05:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it's not necessarily unethical to be a bit vague or even slightly mendacious about the source of personal stories, especially in a professional setting where people may not be entitled to know the exact relationships you have out of work (Sorry, DW, you have been "my good friends from out of state" for years! And I don't, for example, think there's anything wrong at all about telling about a true thing that happened to a person who you are totally cousins with.)

But when it's a situation of systematically lying about things that don't put you at any risk, while deliberately trying to establish trust and closeness with someone you are in a position of power over, in order to gain more power over them? That's really fucked up. Don't do that.

This is actually the kind of behavior that's often a coping strategy of "difficult" kids, and other people who have been relatively powerless - they have had no success with honesty getting them anywhere with authority figures, so they've learned to say whatever gets them what they need, instead. But your partner's students aren't in a position of authority over him; and if he's conceptualizing them that way, it's a big problem.

I don't know that lying on this level would jeopardize his career per se, but if he's building his career on a reputation for being close to vulnerable kids, the fact that he's using dishonesty and manipulation to do it could absolutely come back to bite him hard in terms of professional reputation.

Also, "using cynical manipulation tactics in order to gain a position of trust with vulnerable children" is setting off *all* my warning bells, LW. Maybe he's not doing anything else unethical with them once the trust is established. But it sure does make me wonder.
Edited 2021-05-06 17:42 (UTC)
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[personal profile] cereta 2021-05-06 05:58 pm (UTC)(link)
The only thing about the "totally cousins" thing is that I get that a lot from students, as in they totally know someone who's been on "welfare" for 20 years because they keep having kids, and they have a friend who's a cashier who sees people used food stamps to buy cigarettes and booze, and you get the idea. I am constantly telling them no, they need to look up {$Actual Law} or {$Actual Event}, because fairly often, what their "cousin" knows is not so much a fact as made up bullshit. And it drives me absolutely nuts when someone clings to "what they heard" about, say, the McDonald's coffee lawsuit despite actual factual evidence.

Not saying all "totally cousins" stories are like that, but I try to keep that sort of support for an argument to a minimum. That said, that's sort of specifically my job, so used vary.
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[personal profile] melannen 2021-05-06 06:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, I was using "totally cousins" in the Achilles and Patroclus sense there, not the "somebody microwaved a poodle" once sense, I was trying too be too clever, sorry! I meant I would never object to someone saying their "sister" did something when it was really their wife if saying wife might get them fired.

I think the situation you're describing is kind of a lost cause as an ethical question. That's just a human thing humans do that is part of how humans communicate and process memory. Most of the time people who do it think they're being truthful. (Like. Obviously correct misinformation when you can, and try to get people to think through why *that* is the story they tell - so much kudos to people who do it as a job! We can change what the stories that spread that way *are*. But the mechanism is fundamental primate social behavior.)

Also still different from deliberately lying to people under your power to bring them further under your power.
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[personal profile] vindoletta 2021-05-07 12:30 am (UTC)(link)
Also, "using cynical manipulation tactics in order to gain a position of trust with vulnerable children" is setting off *all* my warning bells, LW. Maybe he's not doing anything else unethical with them once the trust is established. But it sure does make me wonder.

I was going to comment on this. He might just enjoy being seen as that approachable and understanding guy by the kids, but that might also be a first step towards something worse like abuse.