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laurajv ([personal profile] laurajv) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2019-10-03 04:59 pm

Dear Prudence: I Want to Take My Ex to Court for Adopting a Dog With the Same Name as Our Kid

Dear Prudence,

My ex remarried within a year of our divorce to a woman eight years younger. His new wife whelped out three babies within three years and likes to think she is an authority on my child, “Katy.” I tried to keep the peace since my ex and I share custody, but his wife keeps putting her nose into things. She will try to speak for my daughter: “Katy wants to go to the birthday party next door. Can she stay later?” “Katy told me she would like to go ice skating this weekend. Would it be OK if I bought her skates?” She texts me these inane questions all the time. Her excuse is that she doesn’t want to “overstep” and that my ex is often hard to reach at work, so it is simpler to just check in with me. I keep biting my tongue because I really can’t compete with cute little half-sisters, a private pool, and the gift-giving. My daughter loves going over to her dad’s.

Except now the woman is trying to replace my daughter with a dog. The wife’s brother got a dog named Katie and decided he couldn’t keep it. She took all the kids over to play with the dog and then told them Katie was going to be theirs. My daughter excitedly told me all this, and all I could do was ask if they were going to rename the dog. My daughter told me Katie was her name, and I corrected her: Katy was her name. I called my ex to tell him they needed to rename the dog. He told me the dog was trained to respond to Katie and didn’t see what the big deal was. I told him that his wife bringing a dog into the house with the same name as his daughter was disrespectful. He told me this wasn’t something I had a say in. I texted his wife, and she responded with “I respect you, but I stand with my husband here, and Katy was happy when she played with Katie.” I am steaming here, and I don’t know what to do. I can’t afford to go to court or counseling again. Help.

—Dog With Daughter’s Name

When you refer to a human woman giving birth as “whelp[ing] out three babies,” you have lost perspective. While I’m sure that you love your daughter very much, and I don’t want to come down too hard on you, I’m not surprised that she loves going over to her father’s house. Your tooth-grinding misery, resentment, and hostility toward others absolutely radiated off your letter. I’d want to take a break from living with you, too. The texts you describe coming from your ex-husband’s new wife sound pretty innocuous. My guess is that she asks your permission about a lot of low-level things like buying skates because you have a history of flying off the handle when she does anything on Katy’s behalf without getting your approval first.

Your ex-husband and his wife didn’t name the dog Katie on purpose to disrespect your daughter. They didn’t even name the dog! Your daughter is not confused or upset, because she’s aware that Katy is a pretty common name, and she’s not the only Katy in the world. Dogs sometimes have people’s names! I’m guessing it’s probably pretty easy based on context clues to understand which Katy/Katie someone means when they use that name.

Both your ex and his wife have been extraordinarily polite with you, and I wish you could take a step back to see how hard everyone in your life seems to be working to try to manage your constantly simmering rage. You cannot go to court to demand your ex-husband rename a dog. Please drop the subject right away. I’d suggest you apologize for making such a big deal out of this, but I’m not sure that you’re able to offer anyone a meaningful, heartfelt apology just yet. If you can’t afford counseling right now, please save up for one who specializes in anger management. In the meantime, look for a support group (either in-person or online) for women struggling with rage. Even a cheap workbook or self-help book about anger management would be a worthwhile stopgap.

And it’s so, so important that you seek help for this because it’s only going to poison your relationship with your daughter in the long run if you insist on looking for slights and disrespect where none are intended. You’re not competing with cute little kids and a swimming pool when it comes to your ex’s house. You’re competing with peace, patience, gentle speech, reasonable expectations, and a lack of tension. That doesn’t mean that your ex-husband is a saint or that you’ve never experienced suffering or been mistreated in your life. I’m not suggesting you try to emulate him in every way. But you’re carrying a much bigger burden than you need to. It will feel so good to start putting some of it down. More than just feel good, it will be good, for yourself, for your daughter, and for everyone else in your life.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2019/10/dear-prudence-ex-adopted-dog-same-name-daughter.html
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[personal profile] ashbet 2019-10-03 09:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Good lord, I feel for that child (and for the ex and stepmother!)

Because, yeah, the OP is wayyyy out of line (even if she has valid reasons for resentment, she needs to be able to co-parent without constantly raging!)
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[personal profile] lemonsharks 2019-10-03 09:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Good lord.

I would advise the ex-husband to aggressively pursue primary custody because...wow. WOW.

It sounds like what the LW wants is for her daughter to hate her father, stepmother, and sisters as much as LW clearly does.
Edited 2019-10-03 21:13 (UTC)
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[personal profile] staranise 2019-10-04 12:05 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, all those texts just sound like... decent and respectful co-parenting.
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[personal profile] lilysea 2019-10-04 04:30 am (UTC)(link)
This letter is so ridiculous that I'm considering paying for Slate+ to listen to the Uncensored podcast about it.

It's not a podcast this time. Here's the text, cut and paste:

Every week, Danny Ortberg and Nicole Cliffe discuss a Prudie letter. This week: the daughter and the dog.

Nicole: Oh, good lord, who cares about the dog’s name?

Danny: You referred to childbirth as WHELPING

Nicole: Katy the human doesn’t give a shit

Danny: everyone is clear on when they mean “dog Katie” and when they mean “human Katy,” this is not a problem

Nicole: Yeah, that hit me RIGHT AWAY

You are being unreasonable

Danny: I feel bad for your daughter because I feel like this isn’t the first time

you’ve tried to make her angry about something that wasn’t a problem

because you want her to be angry with you

Nicole: We have like nine dogs named Bo in family plus three humans named Bo

It’s never been an issue

Cease seeking drama

Danny: they didn’t even name the dog Katie, it showed up already with that name

Nicole: EXACTLY

Danny: renaming a dog requires a lot of dark magic and you want to save that for emergencies

Nicole: YEAH this is not a problem

You are the problem, quit it

Danny: that line about “I can’t afford to go back to court” worries me because it makes me think she…believes if she had the money, a judge might demand that her ex rename his dog

you would be laughed out of court!

Nicole: LAUGHED WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE

The idea you thought court was an OPTION

you need to take your whole life down a notch

Danny: I would advise you to start saving up for counseling because I really think you need someone who can help you gain perspective on what’s important and what’s worth getting angry about

and in the meantime maybe start taking long walks

try to journal

the level of anger here is way out of proportion

and do not refer to other people’s babies as whelps!

Nicole: Yes! You are not coping.

Danny: even if they are married to your ex-husband and you do not like them!

Nicole: It’s also great to check in before buying skates and so on!

She is trying to respect you?

Danny: oh I 100% read that as “this woman asks you everything in advance because the one time she bought your kid a sandwich without authorization you read her the riot act”

she’s DEFINITELY trying to make sure you feel involved and present when your kid is with her and making it clear she’s not trying to take over your territory or undermine your parenting

but you are bringing “late-in-life-Patricia-Highsmith” level anger to a slightly goofy name coincidence

do not end up like late-in-life Patricia Highsmith!!

Nicole: NOPE

NEVER

except snails under your boobs

That’s cool

Danny: i heard the snail thing was apparently exaggerated

you must know someone who can confirm, surely
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[personal profile] sporky_rat 2019-10-04 04:42 pm (UTC)(link)
The LW is angry about her daughter's stepmother _asking to change pickup time to enable the daughter to go to a birthday party_. That's not an inane request where the stepmother is speaking for the daughter; that's a _request to make a short-term custody alteration_. Someone literally HAS TO ASK ABOUT THAT.

And woe unto someone who doesn't check for short term custody alteration because judges don't like that sort of thing. They get grumpy about that sort of shit!
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[personal profile] cereta 2019-10-03 09:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Broken record alert: if there is ANY way this woman can get some Dialectical Behavior Therapy, she should, even if it's just a book.
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[personal profile] redbird 2019-10-03 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)
The only reasonable complaint in here is "my ex's new wife is calling me about minor things because it's easier for her than calling her husband/the child's father."

That's from the angle that this guy is dumping all the emotional labor on the women. Either everyone is taking this for granted, or the man is pushing back hard when asked to do his share: his current wife apparently prefers to call or text LW than either consult Guy on the small things or point out that "this is your daughter, and the LW is your ex, not mine, it's not my job to talk to her."

However, given the rest of this letter, I suspect that if Stepmother did start calling her husband/the girl's father instead of bothering LW, LW would complain further about being pushed out. Because this complaint doesn't even make sense: if the ex was somehow trying to replace LW's daughter with a dog, it would be easier for LW to compete with him for their child's attention.
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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2019-10-04 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
... wow.

Hang in there, both Katies. Hang in there.
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[personal profile] jadelennox 2019-10-04 02:24 am (UTC)(link)
I 100% agree with all y'all and with Prudie, but I also feel sorry for the dog, who is going to be mad confused everytime someone yells "Katie!" Also, by that token, sorry for whoever is responsible for training the dog.
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[personal profile] conuly 2019-10-04 05:17 am (UTC)(link)
Also gonna point out: An eight year age gap isn't really big enough to merit mentioning. LW needs to seriously chill.
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[personal profile] eleanorjane 2019-10-04 08:28 am (UTC)(link)
I was really pleased with Prudie's response on this one. Also that transcript upthread is a riot :)

ngl, I read the first line and went "well we all hate her, don't we? yep."
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[personal profile] torachan 2019-10-05 07:29 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, starting the letter off saying the new wife "whelped" three kids was like...yikes! And then it just went downhill from there.
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[personal profile] ayebydan 2019-10-04 12:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Wooooooow. The only thing I can maybe give is that a dog can learn a new name even if it responded to another one but if the daughter herself doesn't care then ffs let it go. I don't think little girl is all about the pool and her sibs here but more get away from uptight mother. She clearly did not handle her divorce and is bitter that her ex did. She should be glad that step mother asked about the skates. So often it would be, and reasonably so, 'we're going skating and have decided to buy not rent and we all need a pair.' Like. Just wow. It sounds like your kid has an amazing step mother. Embrace that!
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[personal profile] rosefox 2019-10-04 07:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I wish you could take a step back to see how hard everyone in your life seems to be working to try to manage your constantly simmering rage

The LW will never, ever get this and that is tragic.
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[personal profile] fairestcat 2019-10-06 01:51 am (UTC)(link)
Marna just reminded me (formerly a Catie) of the time my ex (still a friend) and his wife got a new dog and named her Katy.

We were all just like, "to someone who didn't know us all this would seem reaaaallly sketchy..."

But really. All version of Katie/Katy/Catie are excellent names for kids and they're excellent names for dogs too! I say, go out and be-Katy the world.
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[personal profile] cereta 2019-10-06 02:21 am (UTC)(link)
My brother's family (briefly) had a dog named Lucy. My mother initially named a cat Lucy, but renamed it to Molly after I (good-naturedly) gave her a little ribbing for it.

I would be lying if I said it didn't irk me a little bit, but (a) there's a difference between letting a pet keep an existing name and giving it the same name as the one your daughter uses (I'm not sure my brother entirely gets that Lucy is my legal middle, let alone that I use it as my primary name), and (b)Lucy isn't even the middle name my parents gave me. I'm pretty much still "Becky" to them.
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[personal profile] purlewe 2019-10-07 05:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I was surprised Prudie didn't pull out the "no one owns a name" that he uses when he has tried to settle letters from people who feel they have been wronged that their friend/neighbor/sibling named their child the name they were saving (or had used) for their own child. But I agree, this adult needs to learn to manage their anger and perhaps he thought reminding them that no one owns a name would be the thing to set them off further.