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jadelennox ([personal profile] jadelennox) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2023-10-21 02:45 pm

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Dear Bintel,

During summer 2021, a friend I grew up with released a mean-spirited song about me. We were at separate colleges, only sparingly in touch, but until the song’s release, I’d thought of this person fondly. We’d commuted to and from school and participated in community theater together. A few times he led me to doubt myself and made me self-conscious, but other than that, I thought we were good friends.

After the song’s release, I was manipulated into having a conversation with him where he reinforced the message of the song: that I am an unkind person who is careless about my impact on people. The song is focused on our high school days, but he said its message still applies. I tried to express the ways this hurt me and thought I’d gotten through to him. Then he blocked me on social media. The whole ordeal was crushing and gave way to weeks of anxiety and self-loathing.

I’ve learned that another song is being released, about the ways in which I hurt him in the conversation he forced us to have. Despite my better judgment, I know I’ll end up listening to it. I want to say something or advocate for myself, but I haven’t been in touch with him since that conversation.

I also worry that doing so will damage my reputation in the eyes of our mutual friends. I’m a senior in college, and I wish I could stop dredging up these old feelings of inadequacy and self-doubt. Do I reach out to him? Try to move on with my life? Thanks in advance for your guidance.

Signed, Unwilling Muse

Dear Unwilling Muse,

Of course it's humiliating and painful whenever someone publicly says — or sings — mean things about you. But you can't change other people, or stop them from publishing stupid things (or songs) online. So to help you get past this, we've cobbled together advice from three sage sources: pop culture, Jewish tradition and Shalom Bayit, an organization that promotes healthy relationship choices as a way to prevent domestic violence.

First, pop culture. Being featured in a “kiss-off anthem” puts you in some pretty famous company. Carly Simon wrote “You’re So Vain” about actor Warren Beatty back in 1971. Gwen Stefani wrote “Hollaback Girl” about a tiff with Courtney Love. And Jake Gyllenhaal was vilified online last year by Taylor Swift’s fans after she re-released a song from 2012 about him called “All Too Well.”

But Gyllenhaal told Esquire magazine that he didn’t listen to the song and wasn’t upset by it. “It is her expression,” he said. “Artists tap into personal experiences for inspiration, and I don’t begrudge anyone that.”

Count yourself lucky that your nemesis is not famous enough to unleash the wrath of the internet the way Taylor did, and take Jake’s advice: Turn the sound off.

You wondered about reaching out to the songwriter for another conversation. Before you do that, Zephira Derblich-Milea, senior educator at Shalom Bayit, asks: “What would be the purpose of reaching out?” Based on his past behavior, it seems you could end up right back where you started — soon you’ll have a full Spotify playlist of hate songs. You’re not going to convince him that you’ve done nothing wrong, and you can’t control how he feels or what he says.

So how do you deal with the anxiety swirling in your head? Derblich-Milea suggests writing an email to the songwriter without sending it. Just lay out all your agita as a way to let go. Then focus on what Derblich-Milea calls “self-soothing, self-love and self-care.”

You’re being “triggered by this situation and it’s bringing up feelings of inadequacy and self-doubt,” but you can counteract those insecure feelings by “getting some reassurance” from friends, Derblich-Milea said. Ask them: “Are these things in the song true about me? Or is this really just a statement about the other person?”

But you have to be prepared for what they might say. What if one of these friends says that the songwriter’s criticism isn’t baseless?

In your account of what transpired, you’re all defense and zero empathy. You never consider that the songwriter’s perspective might be based in something real.

Yet you’re consumed by “self-loathing.” So something here has hit a nerve.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m not taking the songwriter’s side. This guy sounds like an immature jerk, and what he did is specifically outlawed in the Torah. Leviticus 19:16 says: “Do not spread slander among your people.” The ancient rabbis went so far as to say that defamatory gossip — also known as lashon hara, Hebrew for evil tongue — is a sin worse than murder or idolatry. Perhaps you’ll find some comfort in knowing that what the songwriter did was morally wrong.

And yet: We Jews also have a tradition of teshuva, Hebrew for return, or repentance. Each year before Yom Kippur, we apologize to those close to us for things we might have said or done, even inadvertently, that hurt their feelings.

Could you find it in yourself to acknowledge the songwriter’s pain and the possibility that you played a role — even if you didn’t mean to — in causing it? What if you wrote a simple note sincerely asking for forgiveness, and had a mutual friend deliver it?

This may sound like it contradicts with Derblich-Milea’s guidance about the unlikelihood of another conversation with the songwriter leading to a different result, but hear me out. The great Jewish sage Maimonides described the process of teshuva as a personal transformation. By asking for forgiveness, you can liberate yourself — even if the other person still holds a grudge, even if he won’t accept your apology, even if he writes another song about you.

I'm struck by how much of the language in your letter to Bintel is passive. You’re an “unwilling muse.” You were “manipulated” into a conversation. Perhaps writing these letters — one about your feelings, which you won’t share with the songwriter, and another recognizing his feelings and asking forgiveness — could give you some agency, and maybe even some peace. You can’t control what the other guy does. But you can control what you do.

Signed,

Bintel


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[personal profile] ashbet 2023-10-21 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't hate this advice, but I wish they'd mentioned that it's pretty weird and creepy that this guy is not only still writing songs about someone he knew in high school (when they're now old enough to be college seniors and haven't been in contact since they were in school together), but he's reaching out to her and insisting that she listen and respond, and is now writing ANOTHER song that she's going to be pushed to hear and react to.

(I think that she should avoid it, if possible, but she's already been pressured once.)

I personally don't think that writing a letter and SENDING it is a good idea (writing one to get the feelings out is okay), because every time this guy gets her attention, she's giving him what he wants.

If mutual friends try to push her to listen to the new song or respond to it, I think that the LW is perfectly justified in saying "I was willing to hear him out the first time, but it obviously didn't do any good, and I think the best plan is to stay completely out of contact with him in the future."
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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2023-10-22 12:02 am (UTC)(link)

It's probably creepy and Get Over It Time, but it might possibly be something LW did required a couple of years of processing on Songwriter's part.

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[personal profile] ashbet 2023-10-22 04:04 am (UTC)(link)
It's not impossible! But that sounds like something the songwriter should work out with a therapist, not dragging the LW back into it, and enlisting friends to try to force her to listen and respond.
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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2023-10-22 04:15 am (UTC)(link)

Oh of course.

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[personal profile] movingfinger 2023-10-22 03:04 pm (UTC)(link)
The songwriting is a problematic behavior that the LW needs to protect themselves against. There are creepy stalker fumes around this story.
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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2023-10-22 12:00 am (UTC)(link)

LW: he's trying to try you in the court of public opinion -- don't let any bailiffs drag you to the trial.

(That said, without self loathing, do consider whether he has a point about your behavior. My high school ex could have written a letter like this about our last conversation if he left out that the behavior I pointed out to him was that he physically and sexually assaulted me.)

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[personal profile] melannen 2023-10-22 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
What do you suppose are the odds that the "I am an unkind person who is careless about my impact on people" translates to "he claims I was leading him on when I was just trying to be friends"? And "the ways in which I hurt him in the conversation he forced us to have" was "did not validate his sense of romantic entitlement"?
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[personal profile] torachan 2023-10-22 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah...
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[personal profile] movingfinger 2023-10-22 03:05 pm (UTC)(link)
About 99.99999% with rounding, right? Dudes don't write songs about women who don't like pineapple on their pizza or WoW or whatever. They write about sad boners.
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[personal profile] melannen 2023-10-22 03:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I mean, I wouldn't be that harsh. Some dudes write songs about things that aren't sad boners! It's even possible a dude could write a song about a mean girl from high school that isn't about blaming her for his sad boner! ... that hypothetical dude probably wouldn't have written the second song though.
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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2023-10-22 05:17 pm (UTC)(link)

Despite my comment above this is the way I would bet.

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[personal profile] firecat 2023-10-22 09:59 am (UTC)(link)
you’re consumed by “self-loathing.” So something here has hit a nerve.

The sooner “you’re upset about this criticism, so it must contain truth about you” dies, the happier I’ll be. Some of my nerves get hit by, e.g., encountering concern trolling 500 times a day.
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[personal profile] mrissa 2023-10-22 01:43 pm (UTC)(link)
SERIOUSLY SERIOUSLY SERIOUSLY SERIOUSLY
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[personal profile] mrissa 2023-10-22 01:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Quibble here but: it has NOT been confirmed that "You're So Vain" is about Warren Beatty, Carly Simon dated a LOT of vain assholes in that era.
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[personal profile] mrissa 2023-10-23 12:40 pm (UTC)(link)
One verse though! That still leaves room for other people she dated around then not to get too cozy.
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[personal profile] laurajv 2023-10-27 01:33 am (UTC)(link)
they're all very vain and convinced the song is about them. and they're allllll right. all of them. she's got a verse for each one, and plausible deniability