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minoanmiss ([personal profile] minoanmiss) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2022-09-22 11:35 am

Dear Prudence: Medical Residency & Relationship



Q. Roiled in residency: My boyfriend is about six months into his first year of a medical residency program. He works 80-hour weeks and is constantly emotionally abused by his supervisors. This is par for the course in his specific program and, though he would like to make changes when he becomes a supervisor, he has little to no power to effect change now. The problem is this: He cannot, or will not, engage in any deep conversations when we spend time together. He’s so tired and emotionally fried that all we discuss is his day, some events in the news, and updates on our respective families. So many of the conversations I want to have are “off-limits”: hopes/fears/dreams/worries about our future together, trips I’d like to plan after COVID, anything that could remotely cause conflict.

I’m sick of having to manage his emotions and walk on eggshells. He has 10 days of vacation time for the whole year and can’t really use it because he’ll get in trouble with his team. He has a day off once every week or so, and he spends it catching up on sleep and playing video games to “unwind.” Even when he was in med school, he still made me and our relationship a priority. I feel like I don’t know this man anymore. I suggested counseling but the same issue comes up—he doesn’t have the bandwidth to discuss anything beyond our immediate day-to-day life. I’m at my wits’ end. What should I do?


A: It feels a little lazy to say this, but if you’re at your wits’ end, if he’s not willing to go to counseling with you, and nothing’s changed despite repeated attempts on your part, I think you should probably break up with him. Yes, even if you used to have a better relationship in med school, even if you think he’s a generally good person, even if you understand why he’s so fried all the time. It’s reasonable to believe this dynamic is going to continue for years, it’s reasonable to decide you don’t want to be in a relationship where such a dynamic is present, and it’s reasonable to walk away even if you know he’s not personally responsible for the overwork and mistreatment of medical residents generally. This relationship isn’t working for you, and this relationship isn’t changing; I think what you were hoping for is that I could offer a suggestion that would finally convince your boyfriend to take your frustrations seriously and do what you’ve been asking him to do. I don’t have such a suggestion! I just think you should leave wits’ end, even if it means you can’t take your boyfriend with you.
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[personal profile] castiron 2022-09-22 04:00 pm (UTC)(link)
The residency has an end date, but is the end date in six months or 4.5 years? If it were six months, I'd say wait it out and see if he's willing to seek counselling after things have let up. But if BF is going to be doing these physically and emotionally exhausting 80-hour weeks for several years and doesn't recognize that it's ruining his relationship, yep, go.
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[personal profile] rmc28 2022-09-22 04:07 pm (UTC)(link)

Yes, I was looking through the letter for an end date and didn't find one. I think there's a huge difference between "I will have time to talk about this in March" and "go away I need to play a game".

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[personal profile] julian 2022-09-22 04:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah. If it's "I know this sucks, but I just can't have this discussion right now," as opposed to, "I just can't, now go make me a sandwich," that does matter.
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[personal profile] jadelennox 2022-09-22 06:19 pm (UTC)(link)

leaving aside the question of the end date, I do really appreciate the framing of the response: it doesn't matter if it's nobody's fault, it doesn't matter if it sucks for him, you have the right to decide what you want in your life and that's not uncool. So often advice answers Want there to be a bad guy.

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[personal profile] melannen 2022-09-22 09:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I can't tell from the letter if there is "demanded caretaking". She says "manage his emotions and walk on eggshells" but it seems like all that means in the rest of the letter is he doesn't want to be expected to do things he doesn't have the bandwidth to do right now - she doesn't mention anything he seems to expect from her, except to accommodate the fact that he's fried.

The boyfriend having awareness of how his girlfriend is reacting is unfortunately contingent on him having something left for his relationship with his girlfriend, and he doesn't.

LW, your boyfriend doesn't have time or energy for you while he's a resident. That is a true fact that you can't change. You get to decide if you want to not have a boyfriend because you broke up, or you want to have an absentee boyfriend until the residency's over. But those are your choices. If he was in a coma or prison, would you stick with him for a bit? That's about where you are, I'm afraid.
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[personal profile] likeaduck 2022-09-25 07:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Ooof, a medical emergency or being incarcerated is not the boyfriend's choice, or indicative of his priorities, though.
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[personal profile] likeaduck 2022-09-28 02:39 am (UTC)(link)
There isn't another way. But people aren't typically forced to be doctors. And doctors have *so much power* and so much of what's terrible about residency is bound up with consolidating and reifying that power that I have a hard time seeing the residents in the system as powerless within it, you know?
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[personal profile] melannen 2022-09-26 04:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh I didn't mean to imply a moral dimension with those comparisons, sorry! Only that she needs to treat this as a situation where her boyfriend is physically incapable of boyfriending for a set time, and may be a different person when he comes back. Maybe military enlistment is a better comparison, except that Basic is probably less traumatic.

Though I would say that medical residency isn't entirely unlike a medical condition - the level of sleep deprivation forced on medical residents would be classified as serious mental impairment if there was a different cause. If it's hitting him badly he likely isn't capable of making the choices he would if he were ok and she needs to know that too. This isn't "he chose to be in a stressful job" this is "he's been forced by a deliberately abusive system into a place where he is, by design, being systematically destroyed physically and mentally."
Edited 2022-09-26 16:25 (UTC)
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[personal profile] likeaduck 2022-09-28 02:28 am (UTC)(link)
IDK, I get that the system is abusive, but lots of people choose not to be doctors? Or doctors in especially abusive fields? Heck, part of the gendered aspect I gestured at in another comment is that lots of women choose not to be doctors or quit med school/residency/specific high-prestige-high-abuse fields because these demands conflict with their other priorities. Part of why people stay in the abusive system is powerlessness, but part of it is choosing the profession/prestige/whatever over their other priorities or responsibilities, and it's hard to weigh out exactly how much is each.
Edited 2022-09-28 02:29 (UTC)