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jadelennox ([personal profile] jadelennox) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2022-04-04 03:16 am

Care and Feeding which I cannot summarize because I'm too angry at LW's neighbors

Why Won’t My Neighbors Accept I Don’t Want to Help With Their Egg Hunt?

Dear Care and Feeding,

We are a Jewish family with young children, and we recently moved to a neighborhood that’s full of families with kids, which has been great—we have all enjoyed getting to know our new neighbors. Recently, one of the neighbors texted me that the block does a street-wide Easter egg hunt, and everyone was going to decorate their houses and hide candy-filled eggs in their front yards for all the kids to find on Easter morning. I initially responded saying that it sounded like a lot of fun, but that we wouldn’t be able to participate, and I wished them the best. My neighbor then asked me to hide eggs and decorate our yard, even if our kids weren’t available to participate in the Easter egg hunt. So I explained: we’re Jewish; we don’t celebrate Easter—I hoped they would have a great time.

Well, now I’ve got two different neighbors telling me that “this is a secular event,” and “everyone does this!” and I “shouldn’t deprive” my kids of fun. Any suggestions for what I should do? I don’t feel comfortable decorating our home with symbols of a holiday that we don’t celebrate. And honestly, we’ll be way too busy hosting our out-of-town family for Passover that weekend to be simultaneously crafting an Easter egg hunt in our yard. Am I an Easter Grinch? I would happily let my kids visit a Christian friend’s house and celebrate Easter with them, but doing it at our own house seems strange.

—Not a Grinch!

Dear NaG,

I’m sorry you’re in this position. You’ve handled this very well so far, but perhaps not explicitly enough. I can’t fault you for that, and I assure you that your second response should have been sufficient, but apparently it wasn’t. I think at this point you are going to have to take it upon yourself to educate your new neighbors, explaining a little more thoroughly what it means to be Jewish—at least to the two who seem to have no idea. I’m not going to adjudicate the idea that celebrating Easter in this way is secular—I recognize that many families (including my own, since my daughter was raised with both Jewish and Christian holidays and traditions) to some extent divorce such celebrations from their faith and religious practices. But insisting that non-Christians participate in Easter, and that “depriving” their children of this means those poor kids don’t get to have any fun, is, if not antisemitic, antisemitic-adjacent. And since your first December in your new neighborhood is only eight months away, you might want to be proactive before these same neighbors complain that your house is the only one in the neighborhood without Christmas lights.

You don’t have to be didactic, or defensive. I know you want to feel at home in your neighborhood, and you don’t want this to become an ongoing problem for you or your kids. It’s enough to say that you appreciate their perspective on this holiday, but it’s not your family’s holiday—that at this time of year, Jews celebrate Passover, not Easter. You might add that while you appreciate their concern for your children, they can rest assured that your kids don’t feel the least bit deprived. (I recognize that this last bit of advice sounds a wee bit barbed. But so be it. I am irritated on your behalf. Feel free to skip this part if you are a nicer, more forgiving person than I am.)

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[personal profile] dine 2022-04-04 04:48 am (UTC)(link)
as a former Papist, this sort of stance is hard to understand. I know you're describing a real thing, but I can't quite wrap my head around how they cannot see that the seemingly non-religious Bunny & eggs are celebrating a Christian holiday, and not everyone does that

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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2022-04-04 03:42 am (UTC)(link)
UGH. I am so, so sorry, LW. I apologize for my former religion.
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[personal profile] conuly 2022-04-04 05:00 am (UTC)(link)
It's not like there aren't tons of perfectly fun childhood Jewish things LW's kids (probably?) are doing that these people aren't, but LW's not going to badger them about it.

Though maybe they should, just for kicks.
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[personal profile] conuly 2022-04-04 06:32 am (UTC)(link)
Purim has always seemed like such a fun holiday to me, too - something for kids, something for adults.

But as it's already over, perhaps LW should just stash some random matzo around their yard and wait for the baffled complaints.

(Or not. Liability, much?)
Edited 2022-04-04 06:34 (UTC)
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[personal profile] goljerp 2022-04-04 11:45 am (UTC)(link)
perhaps LW should just stash some random matzo around their yard and wait for the baffled complaints.

While I like the snarkiness of that idea, matzah would turn to mush pretty quickly if it's out too long. There are plastic eggs that one can buy, and put matzah into... but that goes back to the "don't have time for it" aspect. (And, maybe it's just me, but I always worry I don't have enough matzah before Passover. That's probably why I bought way too much this year. After Passover's over, well... this video is a cute video which gives an idea of what my feelings might be.)
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[personal profile] conuly 2022-04-04 06:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, it was a totally snarky non-serious suggestion. No worries.
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[personal profile] goljerp 2022-04-04 08:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I figured you weren't serious. I found myself identifying way too much with the LW. I am way behind on my own personal Passover preparations, and the idea of spending hours for someone else's religious stuff right now is getting to me. Yes, I'm procrastinating right now by writing this response, but that's my (poor) choice. :-)
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[personal profile] gingicat 2022-04-04 10:36 am (UTC)(link)
I hope that at least one of the neighbors reads C&F and sees this.
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[personal profile] librarygeek 2022-04-04 12:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd probably put up a sign that we search indoors for a specific cracker this time of year, but I hid plagues in the yard for outside fun!

Then get bags of plastic frogs and crickets and get my kid to hide those for the neighbors. 🤷‍♀️🐸🦗

Yes, I'm Jewish too, was one of the few Jewish kids in the school district from 1st through 8th grades, and only in high school were many more Jewish classmates. 😂 Greek Orthodox Christian kids and I were sharing that the holy days didn't exactly coincide with what most people expected, and dolmas, baklava, hamantaschen and charoses were all tasty 😋! Fortunately, about a third of the teachers were Jewish and teachers never made me participate in holiday crafts or music. However, our music book was trying to be inclusive, had "Henei Ma Tovu", and I was so excited to have everyone singing that with me each year. I wrote English words to it for our 6th grade graduation theme and we did that as a round.
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[personal profile] cereta 2022-04-04 01:26 pm (UTC)(link)
If I lived in that neighborhood, both I and my kid would find the "plague hunt" hilarious
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[personal profile] librarygeek 2022-04-04 04:01 pm (UTC)(link)
One part of my brain wanted to include Halloween blood capsules too, but the generations of ancestors yelling at me about no need to encourage a new blood libel decided that wouldn't be a good idea.

Seriously, plagues yard props could do double duty for Halloween. Welcome to Pesach, let's reduce our celebration by the suffering of the Egyptians. Pour out 10 drops of wine while reciting the plagues.

I'm the firstborn, the wise child, and named Aviva in Hebrew, as the names of the festival are Chag haPesach, Chag haMatzot, and Chag HaAviv, festival of spring. I go a little over the top for its multifaceted observance. 🔯🤷‍♀️🐸🦗🩸
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Jesus Christ. Pun intended.

[personal profile] cereta 2022-04-04 01:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Look, I think the question of Christmas as a secular holiday is open to debate, but Easter? No. I don't doubt that many people who are not particularly religious, or religious at all, celebrate it, and in particular celebrate the parts (eggs, bunnies) that were appropriated from pagan religions, but almost anything beyond that (pretty dresses for girls, that kind of thing) slides into "one of the two days of the year we go to church" territory. That's particularly true if you get into the time leading up to it. Lent, and particularly Holy Thursday, Good Friday, and Holy Saturday are very specifically religious. Observing them is very different from having an advent calendar with only secular imagery.

If LW were just non-religious, this kind of pressure would be rude. When they belong to a religion that specifically precludes the celebration of Christian holidays, and has its own holiday on the same days? No.

If they can, LW needs to identify someone on the street who seems at least vaguely capable of grasping this and use them as an ambassador to the others.
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Re: Jesus Christ. Pun intended.

[personal profile] jamoche 2022-04-06 03:14 am (UTC)(link)
Usually the same days. Sometimes it's a lunar month off. The local Safeway had to be told that they'd put the Passover stuff out a month early and should not have taken it down after Easter. To their credit, they put it back.
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Re: Jesus Christ. Pun intended.

[personal profile] cereta 2022-04-06 11:48 am (UTC)(link)
Well, I was speaking specifically of the LW, who says they'll be hosting people for Passover that weekend.
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[personal profile] didotwite 2022-04-04 03:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I've been kindly invited, lapsed Protestant, to a Passover Seder. It was all about the kids. Table decorations they'd made for the plagues. Kids doing the readings and the oldest daughter leading prayer. Teaching us about the foods and ritual.

It's not their job to educate the neighbors, at all.

Watch them trying to get a Muslim family to hang out eating candy in the daytime as well. 🤦‍♀️
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[personal profile] conuly 2022-04-04 06:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Candy which, being jelly beans, is no more likely to be halal than it is to be kosher, no less...!
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[personal profile] greenygal 2022-04-05 03:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Even if there were genuinely no religious component to the situation--if, I dunno, the neighborhood had a summer event where people hid plastic dinosaur toys in their yards for kids to find, and put up dinosaur decorations--it would still be okay for LW to say "Oh, that sounds like fun, but we won't be participating, thanks!" And this is not that situation, so seriously, LW's neighbors, knock it off.