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agonyaunt2022-03-22 12:23 pm
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The Ethicist: My Daughter Is Having Sex With Her Best Friend. Must I Tell Her Mom?
My daughter is in a newly romantic relationship with her best friend, who is also female. Both are in their midteens. My daughter recently confided in me that they have had sex. She insists, however, that I am not allowed to tell the friend’s mother, because the mother wouldn’t let them have sleepovers or hang out as much. My ex-husband is the one who hosts the sleepovers, and he looks the other way when they are in the bedroom, reasoning that (or so my daughter tells me), “It’s OK because there are no penises involved.” I am not as close with the friend’s mother as my ex-husband is, but we are friendly. Am I obligated to tell this woman the truth about the nature of our daughters’ friendship? Are my ex-husband’s actions egregious? Name Withheld
Your ex-husband’s attitude has a couple of points in its favor. Forbidding physical intimacy under his roof is unlikely to stop it from happening. And it’s surely better to have a daughter who feels that she can tell you both what she’s doing. If the two girls are having a sexual relationship, you don’t want it conducted furtively. It’s best when there’s a parent in the picture who can help pick up the emotional pieces if things fall apart. Even when unwanted pregnancy isn’t a concern, physical intimacy can entail other forms of vulnerability.
But the story quickly gets complicated. I mentioned picking up the pieces: Intense adolescent relationships can blow up badly, in all kinds of ways. If that were to happen, her girlfriend’s mother would most likely find out and feel that you had wronged her. That’s reasonable enough. Letting a child stay with others involves trust. And keeping the sexual relationship from her would be a betrayal of that trust.
Unlike you and your ex-husband, she would be completely unprepared if anything went wrong. A further complication: Although the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report that one-fifth of girls have had sex by the time they’re 15, many states in the country lack a “close-in-age exemption” to their statutes against sex with minors. Depending on where you live, a sexually active relationship between two minors may be a felony. (There could be scenarios where even condoning it creates legal exposure.)
Whatever the statutory situation, parents rightly think they should have a central place in shaping the context of their offsprings’ sexual development. The girlfriend’s mother is entitled to know what’s going on.
Unfortunately, a tangle of ties is in play here. You don’t want to damage your relationship with your daughter (this is someone who trusted you with a confidence), with your ex-husband (parents who share custody need as much cordiality as they can manage) or with the girlfriend’s mother. You and your ex-husband will have to tread carefully around the fact that you’ve already betrayed the trust that allowed her daughter to sleep over at his house.
The right place to begin, I think, is to have a conversation with your daughter and your ex-husband, explaining why the mother has to be told of the girls’ sexual relationship. This conversation isn’t going to be easy. Your daughter will feel you’re sabotaging her love affair. Your husband will think you’re getting him in trouble with his friend, the other mother. And you’ll have to consult with the girlfriend too. You don’t need her consent, but she’s entitled to fair notice; she might want to be the one to do the telling. These are all tough things to have to deal with.
It doesn’t sound as if the other mom will absolutely forbid her daughter to see yours, even if she stops the sleepovers — as she has a right to do until her daughter reaches legal independence. Still, in talking to the mother, you might want to point out that you parents aren’t really in a position to stop the two girls from having a sexual relationship and that your ex-husband’s permissive attitude may be a reasonable one.
Your ex-husband’s attitude has a couple of points in its favor. Forbidding physical intimacy under his roof is unlikely to stop it from happening. And it’s surely better to have a daughter who feels that she can tell you both what she’s doing. If the two girls are having a sexual relationship, you don’t want it conducted furtively. It’s best when there’s a parent in the picture who can help pick up the emotional pieces if things fall apart. Even when unwanted pregnancy isn’t a concern, physical intimacy can entail other forms of vulnerability.
But the story quickly gets complicated. I mentioned picking up the pieces: Intense adolescent relationships can blow up badly, in all kinds of ways. If that were to happen, her girlfriend’s mother would most likely find out and feel that you had wronged her. That’s reasonable enough. Letting a child stay with others involves trust. And keeping the sexual relationship from her would be a betrayal of that trust.
Unlike you and your ex-husband, she would be completely unprepared if anything went wrong. A further complication: Although the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report that one-fifth of girls have had sex by the time they’re 15, many states in the country lack a “close-in-age exemption” to their statutes against sex with minors. Depending on where you live, a sexually active relationship between two minors may be a felony. (There could be scenarios where even condoning it creates legal exposure.)
Whatever the statutory situation, parents rightly think they should have a central place in shaping the context of their offsprings’ sexual development. The girlfriend’s mother is entitled to know what’s going on.
Unfortunately, a tangle of ties is in play here. You don’t want to damage your relationship with your daughter (this is someone who trusted you with a confidence), with your ex-husband (parents who share custody need as much cordiality as they can manage) or with the girlfriend’s mother. You and your ex-husband will have to tread carefully around the fact that you’ve already betrayed the trust that allowed her daughter to sleep over at his house.
The right place to begin, I think, is to have a conversation with your daughter and your ex-husband, explaining why the mother has to be told of the girls’ sexual relationship. This conversation isn’t going to be easy. Your daughter will feel you’re sabotaging her love affair. Your husband will think you’re getting him in trouble with his friend, the other mother. And you’ll have to consult with the girlfriend too. You don’t need her consent, but she’s entitled to fair notice; she might want to be the one to do the telling. These are all tough things to have to deal with.
It doesn’t sound as if the other mom will absolutely forbid her daughter to see yours, even if she stops the sleepovers — as she has a right to do until her daughter reaches legal independence. Still, in talking to the mother, you might want to point out that you parents aren’t really in a position to stop the two girls from having a sexual relationship and that your ex-husband’s permissive attitude may be a reasonable one.
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If the mother's a phobe, that's one thing. If not? Both kids are lying to her and they need to do some hard thinking about why they've decided that's acceptable.
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But part of keeping secrets is that doing so can damage your relationships with other people. It's not like this isn't going to come out at some point. These are teenagers.
Lying to a family member or to a family member of your romantic partner is a shit behavior. It's rarely justifiable. This may be an exceptional case, but if this were my child, I'd be asking that she consider very carefully whether this is actually that exceptional case, or whether she's letting her genitals do the thinking without thinking about the consequences, both for herself and her partner.
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All parents can do is to make sure their children are educated on sex matters and that they know how to prevent pregnancy and STIs, etc.
It is great if children trust their parents enough to share this info of their own accord, but they shouldn't be required to.
To me, it's akin to a school taking it upon themselves to out a gay pupil to their parents. No, no, no.
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Since you've continued to put words in my mouth rather than read what I've actually said, I'm disengaging. I'm sorry that your fears lead you to relate to strangers like this.
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I thought this community was intended to engage in conversation/discussion with other members about the topics posted. I am sorry if I have misunderstood.
Good day to you.
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If a teenager does not trust their parents with information about their sexuality and sexual health, that is because the parents have set precedent after precedent over the last N-teen years demonstrating that they cannot be trusted with such information.
If LW's daughter's girlfriend could trust her mom to not [legitimate concerns] upon hearing, "I have a girlfriend and we are having sex," she would have told her already. Just as LW's daughter told her "I have a girlfriend and we are having sex."
If a parent cannot be trusted with information about their child's sexuality and sexual health, that is an extremely good reason to put that parent on an information diet. And for the parents of the child's partner to protect them where their own parents fail to do so.
And all that is leaving aside the extremely myopic take you have on lying in general ("I feel pretty comfortable saying that lying is wrong.").
I feel pretty comfortable saying that the reasons any individual may choose to conceal or bend the factual account of a state of being or event, ongoing or concluded, is complicated.