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minoanmiss ([personal profile] minoanmiss) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2020-12-09 11:42 am

Dear Prudence: "In-Law Unit Help"

(That is a totally non-indicative title, but I can't come up with a proper one either.)

My son is at college and his former high school boyfriend, “Max,” still has a year to go before graduation. They broke up but are still friends. Max lives nearby. Max has had it hard because of his new stepmother, “Nadine” (she isn’t actually married to Max’s father but she introduces herself that way). Nadine has two boys herself, 10 and 12. They are destructive, no other word for it. Back in the spring, there was a neighborhood block party where one of the boys lost a game on his Switch, got frustrated, and threw it on the ground. It broke. He screamed his head off for his mother to “fix it.” Nadine made Max go into the house and give his own Switch to her son. Then she made a comment about how awful it was to have a stepson who was an only child because he never learned how to share. Max’s father is fairly useless and his mother is moving now.

Max has asked if he can “rent” our basement to store his consoles, games, and computer stuff and use them in peace. It has a separate entry and a different lock. Both my son and daughter used it as a private area until they went off to college. My son is for it and told me that Max has a pretty expensive collection, and that Nadine will let her sons destroy everything. My husband and I are fond of Max but my husband thinks it is “overstepping” to have Max in our basement all the time and we would be going over his parents’ heads.

Max has one more semester of high school. He is a sweet boy, but I don’t want to have a feud going with Nadine—she seems the type and it looks like she and her sons have moved in for the long haul. What should we do?


A: If this were a case of Max’s physical safety or emotional well-being and he needed a place to stay, I’d encourage you to give him the basement (without charging rent). But since this is a question of his (admittedly important to him!) possessions, in your position, I would encourage him to rent a small storage unit or get a safe/lockbox he can use in his own room until he can leave for college. This is frustrating (and will probably damage Max’s relationship with his father in the long run, if he continues to look the other way), but not an emergency, so if you want to avoid an unnecessary feud with Nadine, that’s probably the best way forward. That said, if he wants to keep a few things at your house for five months, it doesn’t sound like it will inconvenience you much. You’re not using the space now, and he won’t be filling it to capacity with old office equipment. But if things do escalate, you might want to consider offering Max the occasional place to crash. At some point a light feud might become inevitable, so consider at what point you might be willing to accept conflict with Nadine as a necessary evil. That doesn’t mean you have to go announce anything to her, or go looking for trouble, but be ready should trouble turn up on your doorstep, demanding everyone hand over their computers for her sons to destroy.
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[personal profile] rmc28 2020-12-09 05:20 pm (UTC)(link)

I would be offering the basement and gearing up to handle any "feud" Nadine wants to bring.

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[personal profile] feldman 2020-12-09 05:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Exactly, being shitty and destructive with his stuff is the first testing steps toward being shitty and destructive toward *him*.
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[personal profile] conuly 2020-12-09 05:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Nadine is a terrible person, a bad mother and stepmother. Of course LW should allow this nearly grown man to keep his possessions at their house if their only objection is "it might upset Nadine and her equally useless husband". Just don't tell her that's where his stuff has gone.
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[personal profile] jadelennox 2020-12-09 05:32 pm (UTC)(link)
this is bad advice. for one thing, does LW have to have a relationship with Nadine once Max is in college? Who cares if the relationship is damaged? And LW doesn't have to go into raw details, ringing up Nadine and saying "Hey, asshole, we're letting Max store his shit here for now because you suck so hard and your kids are assholes." LW can just do it, and if Nadine calls to complain be ignorant. "Our son asked if his friend could store some things here, and we didn't ask why. We assumed he needed a storage unit for some reason and this seemed easier than going to U-Haul because pandemic / he's too young to get insurance at a storage unit / etc."

Come to think of it, he might be too young to get a storage unit. The rules probably vary by state.

But why make a federal case out of this? It's a minor ask, and it's not getting in to the interpersonal drama to just fulfill it.
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[personal profile] xenacryst 2020-12-09 05:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, with everyone else here. And also just to add - this is also a case of making sure you've got the back of a kid whose family is actively in the process of abandoning him/kicking him out (there may or may not be homophobia involved). He's in a very vulnerable spot, and what you see as providing space for a few tangible possessions, he might see as an indication that he has somewhere safe to run when the shit finally hits the fan. Be there for him.
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[personal profile] fox 2020-12-09 06:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd like to think in LW's place I would actually say "Of course you can stash your things at our place, Max, and if you need to come stay with us sometimes to get some peace and quiet that's fine too. If you let me know soon enough we can make sure there's enough dinner for you to join us." And I know my husband would say the same.

I hope the kid has other friends whose parents are more help to him than LW.
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2020-12-09 07:54 pm (UTC)(link)
"Neighbor teen's destructive step-siblings", maybe?


Egads. Absolutely let the kid store stuff there and hang out.

Destruction of property is one of the warning signs for physical and emotional abuse, and you shouldn't require him to prove it before giving him this respite.
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[personal profile] mommy 2020-12-09 10:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Max is a friend of the family, and he has valid concerns about the safety of his property in the short term. Let him move his stuff into the basement. There's no reason to even bring the LW's neighbor's girlfriend into this, because they will most likely never speak to her again after Max moves out, anyhow.
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[personal profile] shirou 2020-12-10 12:46 am (UTC)(link)
Agree with everyone above. Who in this picture has or had a relationship with Max that deserves special consideration? Not Nadine. The answer is LW's son, and he is in favor of letting Max use the space. If I were LW, unless I badly needed the money, I would offer the space to Max free of charge.
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[personal profile] frenzy 2020-12-10 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
Like, to an extent, I could understand not wanting to get involved with Nadine. But, if Max really matters to you, you have to have a spine.

I'm also curious as to what their son would think about this arrangement. While they're cordial exes, its still his ex. There's probably some residual ~ emotions ~ there, so I think he should have a say too.
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[personal profile] ambyr 2020-12-10 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
LW addresses this: "My son is for it."
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[personal profile] frenzy 2020-12-10 02:53 am (UTC)(link)
Ope, youre totally right.
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[personal profile] cereta 2020-12-10 06:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm going to take this a step further: allowing a situation in which a person, no matter their age, has no claim of ownership of their own possessions and not only has no recourse if another person takes those possessions just because they want to,* is borderline abuse. So yeah: I would definitely advise LW to give the kid a space to keep his stuff safe.

*Differentiating this from a parent taking them for specific reasons like "you are not getting your schoolwork done because you're constantly checking your phone."