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Ask a Manager: Job Candidate Got into A Fight With My Wife
Twists and revelations!
#2 at the link
I am on the hiring committee for a position that will interact closely with mine but won’t be on my downline. The hiring manager is my colleague Freddie, who is good friends with my wife. The third member of the hiring committee is Samara, who has a history of causing problems when she doesn’t get her way. Because the position is so specialized, the applicant pool is extremely small and can only really be filled via head-hunting.
Freddie brought in a candidate, Jason, who had been recommended to him by a friend. Jason’s background and skillset aligned really well with what we are looking for, and the interview gave me the impression that he would be really good at the job, but I wouldn’t be super excited to work with him. He struck me as a consummate professional and very diligent, both qualities that we need, but he was also a little bit abrasive and a few of his answers gave me the impression that he could be argumentative. So, not a candidate I’m excited about, but perfectly serviceable for the role.
Samara hated him, she thought he was horrible, and refused to work with him. When asked why, her answers ranged from “I just don’t like him” to “I don’t think he would fit in here.” Freddie loved him! He thought he was a great fit and wanted to bring him in for a second interview. I have to be the tie-breaker.
I go home and explain all of this to my wife, to get her advice, because I don’t want to piss off Samara but I also know that Jason is our best candidate and I really want this role filled (if we don’t hire Jason, it will sit empty indefinitely). I mention that Jason was recommended to Freddie by a mutual friend of him and my wife, and she goes, “Wait, Jason as in Jason LastName?” and tells me that she has met Jason before, five months ago, and they got into a huge, blow-up fight that was so bad she had to leave. Jason had said something wildly offensive to her and then doubled down when she called him on it, and she hadn’t hung out with the mutual friend since.
I know that I can’t hold this guy’s political opinions against him (the comment was political in nature) but I’m also even less thrilled to work with him now. On top of that, moving him forward as a candidate would mean going to bat for him against Samara and potentially causing conflict with her, but I really need someone to get hired, because I have to pick up everything that this position is supposed to handle until we fill it. Do I pretend I didn’t hear about the fight? Do I drop it? Do I have any particular obligations here?
Well, depending on the nature of the political opinion, you can hold it against him in hiring and in some cases should (for example, if he said something bigoted).
But why not just be up-front with both Freddie and Samara? “His skills are really aligned with what we’re looking for, but he was a little abrasive and gave me the impression he could be argumentative, so I have mixed feelings. Also, it turns out my wife knows him and X happened, which reinforces my initial worry about his interpersonal skills.” You’re not any more the deciding vote than Freddie or Samara are; you just happen to be weighing in last, but that doesn’t require you to say “and so we should do X.” You can just give your opinion, and then the committee as a whole should decide what to do.
If the committee is stuck and can’t agree, then suggest doing the second interview to see if that changes anyone’s assessment. There’s nothing wrong with getting more information; it doesn’t obligate you to hire him. And if the three of you still can’t agree after that, then it really comes down to how the hiring committee is supposed to function: is it majority-rule? Does the hiring manager have the final call? You, as a single committee member who is not the hiring manager, don’t have the final say on your own, and there’s no reason for you to frame this to yourself as “going to bat for Jason” or “going against Samara.” You don’t need to go to bat for anyone or push any agenda at all; just be honest about your evaluation.
That said, for Samara to argue so vociferously against a candidate who others like, she really needs to push herself to come up with something concrete beyond “I just don’t like him.” You could say something like, “I’d be hesitant about any candidate who you oppose so strongly, because I assume you’re picking up on something concerning. Can you use the next interview to try to pinpoint what it is that’s setting off alarm bells for you so that we have something more concrete to work with?”
Also! It’s not necessarily irrelevant that the one person on the hiring committee who’s strongly opposed to Jason is also the one woman on the committee … and Jason also had a “huge, blow-out fight” a few months ago with someone who, oh look, is also a woman. Push Samara to better articulate what’s setting off alarm bells for her, but keep that aspect in mind too.
Additional info #1: LW is a woman
Additional info #2: description of the fight:
Ehhhh…. It was sort of about the big beautiful bill? Like – Unrelated Other Guy: “I’m sad that they passed the Big Beautiful Bill.” Jason: “It’s actually good that they passed the Big Beautiful Bill!” My Wife: “The big beautiful bill includes legislation that removes my human rights and makes it very difficult and scary for me to exist in this country.” Jason: I will sacrifice any and all human rights for the sake of the Big Beautiful Bill, because it will benefit me financially.” My Wife: “That’s pretty -phobic” Jason: “CALLING A MAN -PHOBIC IS THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO IN WHOLE WORLD” (paraphrased, obviously)
ETa also check out how Jason resolves conflicts: https://www.askamanager.org/2025/06/i-fell-asleep-in-an-on-camera-meeting-candidates-resume-is-all-lies-and-more.html#comment-5124894
#2 at the link
I am on the hiring committee for a position that will interact closely with mine but won’t be on my downline. The hiring manager is my colleague Freddie, who is good friends with my wife. The third member of the hiring committee is Samara, who has a history of causing problems when she doesn’t get her way. Because the position is so specialized, the applicant pool is extremely small and can only really be filled via head-hunting.
Freddie brought in a candidate, Jason, who had been recommended to him by a friend. Jason’s background and skillset aligned really well with what we are looking for, and the interview gave me the impression that he would be really good at the job, but I wouldn’t be super excited to work with him. He struck me as a consummate professional and very diligent, both qualities that we need, but he was also a little bit abrasive and a few of his answers gave me the impression that he could be argumentative. So, not a candidate I’m excited about, but perfectly serviceable for the role.
Samara hated him, she thought he was horrible, and refused to work with him. When asked why, her answers ranged from “I just don’t like him” to “I don’t think he would fit in here.” Freddie loved him! He thought he was a great fit and wanted to bring him in for a second interview. I have to be the tie-breaker.
I go home and explain all of this to my wife, to get her advice, because I don’t want to piss off Samara but I also know that Jason is our best candidate and I really want this role filled (if we don’t hire Jason, it will sit empty indefinitely). I mention that Jason was recommended to Freddie by a mutual friend of him and my wife, and she goes, “Wait, Jason as in Jason LastName?” and tells me that she has met Jason before, five months ago, and they got into a huge, blow-up fight that was so bad she had to leave. Jason had said something wildly offensive to her and then doubled down when she called him on it, and she hadn’t hung out with the mutual friend since.
I know that I can’t hold this guy’s political opinions against him (the comment was political in nature) but I’m also even less thrilled to work with him now. On top of that, moving him forward as a candidate would mean going to bat for him against Samara and potentially causing conflict with her, but I really need someone to get hired, because I have to pick up everything that this position is supposed to handle until we fill it. Do I pretend I didn’t hear about the fight? Do I drop it? Do I have any particular obligations here?
Well, depending on the nature of the political opinion, you can hold it against him in hiring and in some cases should (for example, if he said something bigoted).
But why not just be up-front with both Freddie and Samara? “His skills are really aligned with what we’re looking for, but he was a little abrasive and gave me the impression he could be argumentative, so I have mixed feelings. Also, it turns out my wife knows him and X happened, which reinforces my initial worry about his interpersonal skills.” You’re not any more the deciding vote than Freddie or Samara are; you just happen to be weighing in last, but that doesn’t require you to say “and so we should do X.” You can just give your opinion, and then the committee as a whole should decide what to do.
If the committee is stuck and can’t agree, then suggest doing the second interview to see if that changes anyone’s assessment. There’s nothing wrong with getting more information; it doesn’t obligate you to hire him. And if the three of you still can’t agree after that, then it really comes down to how the hiring committee is supposed to function: is it majority-rule? Does the hiring manager have the final call? You, as a single committee member who is not the hiring manager, don’t have the final say on your own, and there’s no reason for you to frame this to yourself as “going to bat for Jason” or “going against Samara.” You don’t need to go to bat for anyone or push any agenda at all; just be honest about your evaluation.
That said, for Samara to argue so vociferously against a candidate who others like, she really needs to push herself to come up with something concrete beyond “I just don’t like him.” You could say something like, “I’d be hesitant about any candidate who you oppose so strongly, because I assume you’re picking up on something concerning. Can you use the next interview to try to pinpoint what it is that’s setting off alarm bells for you so that we have something more concrete to work with?”
Also! It’s not necessarily irrelevant that the one person on the hiring committee who’s strongly opposed to Jason is also the one woman on the committee … and Jason also had a “huge, blow-out fight” a few months ago with someone who, oh look, is also a woman. Push Samara to better articulate what’s setting off alarm bells for her, but keep that aspect in mind too.
Additional info #1: LW is a woman
Additional info #2: description of the fight:
Ehhhh…. It was sort of about the big beautiful bill? Like – Unrelated Other Guy: “I’m sad that they passed the Big Beautiful Bill.” Jason: “It’s actually good that they passed the Big Beautiful Bill!” My Wife: “The big beautiful bill includes legislation that removes my human rights and makes it very difficult and scary for me to exist in this country.” Jason: I will sacrifice any and all human rights for the sake of the Big Beautiful Bill, because it will benefit me financially.” My Wife: “That’s pretty -phobic” Jason: “CALLING A MAN -PHOBIC IS THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO IN WHOLE WORLD” (paraphrased, obviously)
ETa also check out how Jason resolves conflicts: https://www.askamanager.org/2025/06/i-fell-asleep-in-an-on-camera-meeting-candidates-resume-is-all-lies-and-more.html#comment-5124894

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it can be difficult when someone with a marginalization is being an asshole to disentangle one's response of prejudice from one's response to jerkitude. I think we saw LW #2 do this in real time. (at least she did unlike all the "women be unreliable" sexists in the commnts.