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conuly ([personal profile] conuly) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2023-04-16 08:39 am

Oh, wow, LW sounds insufferable

1. Dear Annie: My husband of 34 years has become increasingly disappointed in our 30-year-old son. He and my son have had a rocky relationship, as my husband sees the world through opportunity and is always working toward improvement (which makes him a great engineer), but this also means he has expectations that rarely get met by the people in his life, including me. He is like a dog with a bone when he tries to convince people to his way of thinking.

Our son has some character traits and behaviors that he and I both don't like. Our son has a couple beers a day (husband and I don't drink). He has -- in our opinion -- ignorant thoughts on politics, is sometimes unreliable (shows up late) and still plays video games. He has had many relationships with women that all last under a year. Our son, however, maintains a job with increasing responsibilities and is financially secure, as he owns a home and pays his bills. He has many friends, and I hear often from strangers about what a loyal friend he is. I work professionally in similar circles and hear that he goes above and beyond. He has never been fired. In fact, he is sought after. He calls me every couple of days just to see how I am doing.

Bottom line, my husband is very angry with me that I don't try to enlighten my son to help him be a better person. While I will always give my son advice WHEN ASKED, I feel that my child-rearing days are done. My husband won't let up on me about this, and it has affected our relationship. Do I do as my husband asked to keep peace between the two of us, even though I don't agree with him? -- Between a Rock and a Hard Place


Dear Between a Rock and a Hard Place: It sounds like your son is a great guy with a lot of integrity and compassion. You should be proud! Whatever lifestyle choices he is making in his free time don't seem to be affecting the things that matter most.

I would explain to your husband that, at 30 years old, your son is a full adult. Policing him about things like video games is no longer called for. This should be good news to your husband -- it frees up time for him to pursue hobbies, and it allows you two to spend time together without talking about parenting the whole time.

Explain that if you both keep nagging your son about trivial matters, he's going to want to spend less time with you. It sounds like your son and your husband are very different -- in terms of life philosophy, interests and personality -- but if they can find just one area of common ground, or one hobby they can share, it might help them make progress in their relationship.

https://www.arcamax.com/healthandspirit/lifeadvice/dearannie/s-2798339

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2. DEAR SOMEONE ELSE’S MOM: When my husband was still a kid he found out he is color blind. He sees color, as he explains it, just not the way non-color blind people do. If I show him something that’s green or red, he knows which is which, but they are not the way I see them.

Because of his color-deficient vision I can’t let him go clothes shopping by himself because what he thinks is fine can be anything but, and he is not allowed a say in the paint colors I pick for our home.

He says this means I’m trying to be controlling and treating him like a child, but I just have an idea of how I want my house to look and I don’t want him to be embarrassed if he dresses in a weird ensemble.

Does this make me controlling, or just concerned? --- NOT COLOR BLIND


DEAR NOT COLOR BLIND: Giving your husband an equal say in his environment and how he dresses is a sign of respect and support. Even though he isn’t able to see colors the same way you do, he’s a grown man with ideas of how he wants to dress and how his home looks and feels to him.

If he turns to you for guidance, that’s one thing. However, your insistence on you both living by your opinions and tastes exclusively indicates an unbalanced, unhealthy relationship to me.

A little give and take and a whole lot of respect are the backbones of a successful marriage. Without them, it’s not difficult to see why your husband’s feeling like his opinions don’t matter at all if they conflict with yours.

https://www.uexpress.com/life/ask-someone-elses-mom/2023/04/13

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3. Dear Care and Feeding,

My girlfriend is pregnant, and we’re ecstatic. I am committed to being an active father and partner and have been going with her to all her doctor’s appointments, buying all the books, and doing all the online research for pregnancy to gather resources for her. The problem is this has always kind of been our dynamic, and now I can see what a big issue it is when I can’t just do something for her.

Her doctor and all the research say she should be exercising during pregnancy, and she simply will not. She has always committed to a diet or exercise regimen and then given it up after getting bored. She’s gotten into yoga, running, Zumba, Peloton, Pilates, weight lifting, etc., and bought equipment and cute outfits, only to never follow through. She has done everything from diets to cutting out food groups to juice cleanses. Nothing has ever stuck, and I just saw it as one of her quirks until now. She doesn’t want to move more than the bed to the living room (she works from home) and only eats premade meals.

I have no problem doing all the cooking while she’s pregnant, but she doesn’t want my healthy meals, she wants to order Mcdonald’s. She gets offended and tells me I can’t tell her what to do with her body, but she chose to be pregnant, and now her choices are affecting our baby. She keeps trying to make it seem like I’m being the jerk who doesn’t want his girlfriend to gain weight, but I know and am looking forward to weight gain, since this means the baby is growing and thriving. I am not talking about weight, or appearance at all, but the baby’s health.

I tell her this all the time, but she tells me I can’t tell her how to be pregnant, but also that this baby is as much mine as it is hers and I need to be there for her and our kid, in the same breath. How do I get her to be healthy for our baby when she’s even less motivated to be healthy than before?

—Healthy Concern


Dear Healthy Concern,

It’s great that you’re so involved and excited for the birth of your child. But while you claim to be entirely concerned with “health,” you seem to be diagnosing your girlfriend (and therefore your future child) as “unhealthy” based entirely on your assessment of what she eats and how much she moves. Has there been a diagnosis or other indication from her doctor that she or the baby are experiencing health problems? Or is it more that you’re concerned she could potentially develop a health problem if she doesn’t follow the suggested guidelines for pregnant women?

I understand the impulse behind the latter, but It sounds like your girlfriend, like many women, has a complicated history with exercise and diet culture. I don’t know what her relationship may be to those topics within her current body, but pregnancy’s bodily and hormonal changes often contribute to that complexity. It seems like your approach to “improving her health” is hitting the wrong buttons. Try to remember that most women have a lot of experience being told what we should be doing with our bodies. Instead of coming from a place of judgment or trying to control her, start by listening and attempting to understand why she may be struggling or disinterested in meeting the guidelines suggested by her doctor. Shoving a “healthy” meal at her when she wants Mcdonald’s french fries is not ultimately working or helping her make different choices, probably because it sounds like it’s making her feel shamed by you. Shame is rarely a motivating approach. (I’ve also never known a pregnant woman who didn’t occasionally want to order Mcdonald’s or something similar, for the record.)

The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists recommends that pregnant women ideally get at least 150 minutes of moderate-intensity aerobic activity every week, which they say could include activities such as brisk walking or gardening. But they also say that if you are new to exercise, as it sounds like your girlfriend is, to start slowly with as little as five minutes a day. The CDC also says you can break your exercise time into smaller chunks during the day, as “any amount of time” counts toward meeting the guideline. Rather than telling your girlfriend what to do with her body, ask her how you can help her find the time and motivation to get moving for five minutes a day. Maybe brainstorm fun ways you can do it together, whether that means taking a walk around the block or having a living room dance party. Approaching her in the spirit of teamwork and collaboration is likely to be more successful than telling her what to do has been so far. Incidentally, that’s also the best approach to working together as parents once the baby is born.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2023/04/pregnant-girlfriend-exercise-care-and-feeding-advice.html
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[personal profile] lilysea 2023-04-16 03:19 pm (UTC)(link)
3. OMFG, buddy, you need to lay off your pregnant girlfriend. She's allowed to eat McDonald's. It's not going to harm the baby. No, really. It may be best, until the baby actively can be held in your arms, to pretend that it's NOT as much yours as hers, because certainly her body is still 100% hers forever and right now, that's where the baby lives.

Yes, I certainly hope LW isn't going to give his girlfriend a hard time over taking eg pain medication for a bad headache that is considered mostly okay for pregnancy but has a tiny tiny (nonzero) risk.

Because I can ABSOLUTELY see LW doing that.

"This headache/migraine tablet contains caffeine, and caffeine is not 100% safe in pregnancy[1], so you can't have it"

[1] To which I say to LW, dosage matters, and % of risk matters.
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[personal profile] lilysea 2023-04-16 03:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Also: when a friend of mine was pregnant with her first child,

she went from being vegetarian to INHALING chicken because she was so desperate for protein.

LW: Do not stand between a pregnant person and any protein that they are not nauseated by the thought of!
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[personal profile] rmc28 2023-04-16 03:44 pm (UTC)(link)

I had the most epic potato cravings in pregnancy. I mean, potatoes are good, but I wanted roast potatoes, big salty chips, mashed potato, etc SO MUCH.

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[personal profile] ashbet 2023-04-16 04:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I had hyperemesis gravidarum for my entire pregnancy, and my doctor’s advice was “eat anything that I could keep down.”

Mostly mashed potatoes.

Despite a lot of worry (from ME) about malnutrition, my daughter was a good birth weight and had zero health problems at birth.

(She did inherit my genetic disorder, but since *I* hadn’t been diagnosed yet, and it’s dominant, nothing I did could have changed that part, and it wasn’t evident until her teens.)
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[personal profile] joyeuce 2023-04-17 12:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I spent most of the second trimester inhaling sour stuff - mostly cheese and pickle sandwiches, and salt and vinegar crisps. My husband had just got used to this and stocked up on crisps and Branston pickle, when the third trimester hit and I wouldn't even look at them. :-)
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[personal profile] lilysea 2023-04-16 03:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I worry that Mr "police what my pregnant partner eats" is going to turn into this guy:

Dear Care and Feeding,

My husband is terrified of flying and finds the process of air travel in general to be extremely stressful. He doesn’t want our toddler to fly either, even if I offer to take her by myself. He’s convinced that she’ll find it just as stressful and scary as he does, so we should stick with car trips. The problem is that my family all lives 1,200 miles away. I want my daughter to know her cousins and grandparents, but I simply can’t drive that distance with her at this stage: She gets carsick, and I don’t have the vacation time for 2,400-mile round trips. My parents have flown out several times to visit us, but it doesn’t seem fair that they’re always the ones to travel. And meanwhile, my husband’s family all lives within 200 miles, so they get to see our daughter all the time. I don’t even know what I’m asking. Is this fair? Does my husband really get to unilaterally determine whether I get to take our daughter on airplanes?

— Just Let Her Fly


Dear Just Let Her Fly,

It’s one thing for your husband to choose not to fly, but if his anxiety over it is so severe that he is trying to control whether you and your daughter do so, that could be a sign that he needs some more help dealing with it. Of course it’s okay if he doesn’t want to travel by air. But by refusing to allow your child to fly, he is preventing her from seeing half her family and you from visiting yours.

He can’t know how your daughter will handle air travel if she’s never flown before. I think it makes sense to try to take her on a flight with you. If she does well on the trip (or, you know, as well as toddlers ever do on planes), which she probably will, that is a good data point. You should absolutely be able to see your family if you want to, and bring your daughter along. Hopefully your husband can work on accepting that the two of you will occasionally need to travel by plane—and will, for your child’s sake, try to avoid instilling the same fear of flying in her.
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[personal profile] lilysea 2023-04-16 04:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I thought at first that LW's husband's issue would be a rational one
(COVID risk in an aircraft cabin with limited air exchanges, few people wearing masks, and a child who might be young enough that they're not vaccinated) but it didn't even get mentioned.

And COVID risk is really the only rational reason to consider car travel less risky than air travel. Car accidents when people are fatigued from long drives are a massive thing.

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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2023-04-16 09:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Word. (Also, it's a pity LW can't consider trains. [insert rant about US infrastructure].)
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[personal profile] summerstorm 2023-04-16 03:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Just because the husband is colorblind doesn't mean he's not going to have to live with whatever colors their house is painted in or decorated with? He can still SEE. He should certainly get to veto AND get a say so you find something you both like.

I'm not even touching the other two.
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[personal profile] ashbet 2023-04-16 04:10 pm (UTC)(link)
My longtime partner is R/G colorblind, and does still have opinions on whether colors clash TO HIM.

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[personal profile] ysobel 2023-04-17 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
YES omg. I can see not having him be the only one to pick, more under the logic of "both will be living with the colors so both should get input" than because he's colorblind, but not allowing any input is ... yikes.
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[personal profile] lilysea 2023-04-16 04:14 pm (UTC)(link)
LW with the colourblind partner:

You should work WITH your partner to find eg paint colours and furniture colours that you can both live comfortably with.

Re: his clothing: if something he wears is a genuine headache/migraine trigger for you, that's one thing,

but otherwise you should limit yourself to "Would you like my input on your work clothes, or would you prefer that I didn't"

Notice the lack of the word CONTROL in that sentence.
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[personal profile] mommy 2023-04-16 04:50 pm (UTC)(link)
1. Three generations of my family routinely play video games of varying genres. Video games have been a fairly normal entertainment medium for all ages for decades, now. It's past time for this LW's husband to stop grumbling about them.

2. If my spouse was controlling me to the point where I was not allowed to pick out my own clothes then I would seek out a divorce.

3. There's a difference between being helpful and being helpfully obnoxious. This LW is headed in the direction of helpfully obnoxious and needs to back way off.
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[personal profile] movingfinger 2023-04-16 06:42 pm (UTC)(link)
1. There is so much bias against videogames, and I kind of blame the shooters? The blamblamblam or Mario soundtracks are what comes to mind for people who don't play them, and the complicated ones are a little hard to describe. I would never tell anyone I know how many hours I've logged in Hyrule...

2. I used to buy clothes for the ex because [REASONS], but he liked and wore what I bought and occasionally he found things he liked and bought them for himself. (I believe this is a not uncommon dynamic in my age group.) Not color blind. For the house stuff, swatches and paint squares or test sections are something everybody should use, even if color blind! I can't imagine someone just railroading a spouse on that stuff because of color blindness---the colors looks DIFFERENT, not absent.
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[personal profile] mommy 2023-04-16 09:25 pm (UTC)(link)
1. My dad is the one who plays shooters in my family. I tend to go for RPGs and Indies, while my nephew is all about city builders and Civ knockoffs. Our game preferences get less violent with each generation. There really is a lot of variation in the medium for those who care to look!

2. Yeah, it's different if everyone involved has consented to it. Some people genuinely don't mind having their loved ones handle their clothes shopping, and I can respect that.
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2023-04-16 09:47 pm (UTC)(link)
My partner is much more of a video gamer than I am, and there's only so much I can take of most video game music until it drives me up the wall. And that's why most games have volume controls for the music, and we are also lucky enough to have enough rooms so there can be a closed door between the music and me, if they're still enjoying the music.
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[personal profile] castiron 2023-04-16 04:52 pm (UTC)(link)
It's one thing to say to one's different-color-vision spouse "hey, that combination you're wearing really clashes to my eye; it's great if that's the look you're going for, but if you were going for subtle it's not there," It's another entirely to not let them choose their own clothes.

And the way a reasonable adult would deal with the paint colors is to say "I'll narrow this down to a few colors/combinations I'd be good with; you tell me which ones you like or hate", not "you have no say in the paint colors in your own house".
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[personal profile] movingfinger 2023-04-16 06:30 pm (UTC)(link)
"The problem is this has always kind of been our dynamic, and now I can see what a big issue it is when I can’t just do something for her."

How unfortunate that this woman just got herself pregnant without asking you and is now hanging on your hands, LW! Keep badgering and judging her, and the problem of you not liking her choices (which include, at the moment, YOU) may solve itself.
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[personal profile] shirou 2023-04-16 09:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I can't tell whether LW3's girlfriend eats McD's every day or just wants it every day because her boyfriend never lets her have it. It sounds like it could be the latter, but even if it's the former, the boyfriend still needs to back off. He's right that eating McD's every day is unhealthy, but being right doesn't give him the authority to dictate what she eats. If she is regularly eating an unhealthy diet, he should just express his concerns, encourage her to discuss nutrition with her doctor, and then accept he can do no more. (This advice assumes she's not doing something that truly endangers the baby, like going on drinking binges.)
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[personal profile] melannen 2023-04-17 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
1. LW this is a great chance to make sure that every time you talk to son you say something like "Your dad is still getting on me about how he wishes you'd make different choices, so if he's still like that with you, I want to make sure you know that I'm hearing great things about you through the work grapevine (or whatever!) and I'm never anything but proud of who you've grown up to be".

Then you can truthfully tell your husband that yes, of course you mentioned it, but you really don't think it's doing any good.

2. You two need to agree on house colors. And he gets to pick his own clothes, though you are allowed to express opinions about them, of course.

3. LW every pregnancy is different and many people are very, very tired or have weird food cravings at different points in the process, and there's so much contradictory advice on the "right" things to do that it's absolutely a valid choice to just ignore them all equally and listen to your own body. If she's making it to her doctors appointments and the doctors don't see any dangers, let her do what feels right to her body right now. In two or three more months she may surprise you.
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[personal profile] purlewe 2023-04-17 07:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I feel like #3 needs to be reminded that Food is just Food. And no food is bad as long as the person eating it is getting what they need. Judging food is never a good thing, just like judging people's size or clothing or exercise habits. If you feel the need to comment on those kinds of things, perhaps stopping yourself LW and asking why do I feel the need to judge others is a better idea.
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[personal profile] kiezh 2023-04-18 01:35 am (UTC)(link)
The thing that always boggles me about the "healthy eating!!! I'm haranguing you for your own good!!!" crowd (like LW #3) is how determined they are to ignore the vast body of evidence that *on-going stress* is bad for people. Stress (such as being constantly harassed about every bite of food one eats) is bad for digestion, bad for immune system function, bad for sleep, basically bad for humans in every single possible way. Including and especially pregnant people, whose bodies are already working very hard on a resources-intensive project!

There's more evidence that stressing people out fucks with their health than there is for any diet/exercise fad being useful. If LW #3 really cared about encouraging good health in his girlfriend or his kid (rather than propping up his own self-image as a Healthy Living Guy), he'd be putting effort into making her feel safe and comfortable and encouraging her to listen to her bodily needs, not harassing her about eating takeout. He is making himself the worst risk to her health right now, and dressing it up as concern. (If she feels any unusual discomfort or pain, is she going to say anything about it, if she knows that his immediate reaction will be to blame it on her eating habits? If her pregnancy runs into problems that require medical attention, she needs him to be ON HER SIDE. And he is not.)

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[personal profile] feast_of_regrets 2023-04-20 06:29 pm (UTC)(link)
That is such a good point.