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conuly ([personal profile] conuly) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2022-09-24 12:09 pm

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Dear Care and Feeding,

I am the mother of a seventh grader in a progressive city. My child, whom I’ll call R, was born male and never showed any hint of gender dysphoria. Shortly before completing fifth grade, R announced that they identified as non-binary and preferred “they/them” pronouns. They chose a new name and asked members of our immediate family to use this new name and pronouns; we all complied without much fanfare.

Several months later, R requested the use of a different name and the use of “she/her” pronouns. We complied with R’s second name choice (which we use to this day), but we have not switched to using “she/her” pronouns at home. As R’s parents, we have doubts about the permanence of our child’s wish to alter their gender identity and see this more as normal individuation and probably a bit of a response to the “zeitgeist.” (R is a bright, attuned kid who’s always been a little bit socially precocious.)

While R briefly raised the topic of puberty blockers after learning about it from an older kid in an online chat, they have not raised this matter again, despite several opportunities to learn more about this option, including a visit with a physician who specializes in gender identity. We arranged for counseling for R, but after one session R asked to stop, saying that they didn’t really like the therapist and didn’t think it was necessary to continue. In general R is fairly cheerful and doesn’t show any evidence of depression or anxiety. We’re supportive of the rights of transgender people, and we know and respect a number of trans people personally and professionally. However, we think that our kid is probably not authentically trans.

R has indicated to teachers, classmates, and friends that they prefer the use of “she/her” pronouns, and everyone outside the family now refers to our child as “she.” When I’ve used “they/them” pronouns when referring to R, some friends’ parents have picked up on this and asked me what pronouns they should use. I’ve responded that they should probably stick with whatever pronouns their own kids use when talking about R. When I’ve tried to discuss this with R, they’ve been very resistant to any conversation, stating, “I’ve told you what my pronouns are, you didn’t listen, and so I’m not going to talk about this anymore.”

It feels to me like this is probably all part and parcel of a (normal?) power struggle which I’ll admit I often feel like I’m losing. There’s a lot of talk about “parents’ rights,” but apart from the politics, I’m simply trying to do the best thing both for my child while respecting my own feelings about something that feels both very big and very small at the same time. It does not feel authentic to refer to my child as “she,” and I’m struggling with this. Can you advise?

— Perturbed by Pronouns


Dear Perturbed by Pronouns,

Gender is not fixed and permanent, but an evolving part of our identities. R is at a natural age to be exploring and questioning that identity. Some trans and nonbinary kids experience gender dysphoria from a young age, and some don’t until much later.

Can I definitively say children never decide they are transgender and later change their minds? No, and there is admittedly more research to be done when it comes to transgender kids. But one of the most recent studies found that children who go through social gender transitions – like changing their names and pronouns – overwhelmingly continue to identify with that gender in 5 years time. And given that this began at the end of fifth grade and R. is now in seventh grade, it’s already been an awfully long stretch of time to be considered a phase.

When cis people insist that their children are going through a phase when it comes to their sexuality and/or gender identity, I often suspect they are projecting their feelings about their own gender onto their child. After all, they can’t imagine what it would be like to live as a different gender than the one they were born into, so they imagine that their child is likely to change their mind.

The other thing that research shows is that affirming care is one thing that greatly improves the mental health and well-being of transgender and nonbinary kids. That doesn’t necessarily have to mean medical intervention—and it doesn’t sound like R. is asking for that at this time. At its core, affirming care simply means compassionately accepting and exploring a child’s statements about their gender identity.

It’s easy to forget in the long stretch of parenting young children that there will come a day when our children will grow up and will no longer be obligated to have a relationship with us. It is the quality of your connection that will determine whether they decide to continue to be a part of your life. Even if you’re right, and R’s going through a phase, she’ll likely always remember the fact that her friends, teachers, classmates, and even other people’s parents were more supportive of her than her own parent. R can change her pronouns back, but the effects of how you chose to handle her disclosure can never be reversed.

You were able to accept R’s new name, and you have been willing to connect your child with resources like a therapist and a physician who specializes in gender identity. So why do you feel the need to engage in a “power struggle” over your child’s simple request about pronouns? Some support might help you, too. I recommend seeking out your local P-Flag chapter and connecting with a group to help you process the feelings that are causing you to hold out on this issue. Ultimately, using she/her pronouns for R. hurts no one, but refusing to do so could hurt your child.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2022/09/enforcing-rules-parenting-advice.html
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[personal profile] julian 2022-09-24 04:46 pm (UTC)(link)
So basically: you're ignoring your kid's requests, you're misgendering your kid, your kid is completely aware of this, and it's driving your kid away from you. You're authentic, all right: an authentic jerk. Get better.

[personal profile] hashiveinu 2022-09-24 05:01 pm (UTC)(link)
As R’s parents, we have doubts about the permanence of our child’s wish to alter their gender identity and see this more as normal individuation and probably a bit of a response to the “zeitgeist.” (R is a bright, attuned kid who’s always been a little bit socially precocious.)

Oh, hi. I had the misfortune of running across this dreck about how "Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria" is supposedly more common among gifted people who mistake having an intense, unique personality for being trans. My money is on LW having found similar stuff.
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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2022-09-24 05:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh FFS. Icould rant but I wouldn't say anything new.
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[personal profile] xenacryst 2022-09-24 05:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Do you realize that it's possible to raise a child without there having to be a "power struggle?" It's called listening, accepting, and explaining. You might try that sometime, LW, and you might come to some understanding within yourself about why you're so eager to misgender your child.
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[personal profile] movingfinger 2022-09-24 05:46 pm (UTC)(link)
What a hill to choose to die on! Is there some parenting manual that says you only give kids one free pronoun choice and that's it?

Also: there has to be more than one therapist out there, if *R* wants one, and more than one physician specializing in gender identity. Find different people for your kid to talk to and stand back!
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[personal profile] redbird 2022-09-24 06:10 pm (UTC)(link)
If LW cares that much about authenticity, they can spend more time thinking about whether their own gender identity and pronouns are authentic, whatever that means in this context.

Beyond that, I agree with the columnist.
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[personal profile] cimorene 2022-09-24 07:21 pm (UTC)(link)
LW sounds like they need therapy more than R does, although having such unsupportive parents can't exactly be conducive to R's mental health and I'm sure they'll eventually need (a good) one.
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[personal profile] harpers_child 2022-09-24 08:44 pm (UTC)(link)
LW, you're one of those people who thinks non-binary folks are gender-lite or whatever.

You're balking at using your kid's pronouns because you want to be a progressive person, but the reality of accepting a trans kid irks you. I suggest therapy for you with someone who has experience in helping parents of trans kids come to terms with it.

Take a deep breath, let go of your expectations, and start rebuilding your relationship with your kid. Step one is using the pronouns you've been told to use.
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[personal profile] laurajv 2022-09-24 10:00 pm (UTC)(link)
when our younger kid transitioned, the resources on social transition that I found emphasized that it's important for the child's mental health that they know that they can change their name/pronouns again (or back!) at any time and that their parents will continue being supportive.

and indeed, our kid went from nonbinary (they/them) to boy (he/him) and back to nonbinary (they/them) after sticking with boy for a few months.

it wasn't that hard to just go with it and make them feel like we weren't going to freak out at any stage.

LW is doing something that increases the risk of suicidality in their child and I wonder if they know that. Because I would absolutely not be doing that to my kid, I tell you what.
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[personal profile] ethelmay 2022-09-24 10:21 pm (UTC)(link)
It's not actually a problem if people change their minds about what gender identity is right for them, as long as it's them changing their own minds and they're not being forced into it. I don't see why it has to be so difficult to just follow your kid's lead, especially about something like pronouns. In fact I know people who've had their kids switch pronouns more than once.
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[personal profile] ofearthandstars 2022-09-25 03:26 am (UTC)(link)
Even if you’re right, and R’s going through a phase, she’ll likely always remember the fact that her friends, teachers, classmates, and even other people’s parents were more supportive of her than her own parent.

I mean, honestly, this was all that needed to be said. LW needs to meet up with a clue x four.
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2022-09-25 03:53 am (UTC)(link)
Did my mom write this.
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2022-09-25 07:59 pm (UTC)(link)
If my access to medical care was being gatekept by someone who did not respect my pronouns, I would probably not push on the puberty blockers either.
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[personal profile] sathari 2022-09-26 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
Everyone has covered the fucking horrorshow that LW's gender policing of their child is, and it took me this long to get around to being able to talk about this, so I will just say that I dream of a day and a world in which it is more or less the default understanding that a person's configuration of gender and sexuality is as individual as their fucking fingerprint and it is not for anyone else to decide that for another person.