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minoanmiss ([personal profile] minoanmiss) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2021-11-18 01:38 pm

That Bad Advice: Help! I Can't Use Racial Slurs!



Social Q’s, The New York Times, 21 January 2021:

As a Christian, I find it hurtful when I hear the Lord’s name used as swear words. If I used sexist, racist, anti-Semitic or homophobic language as curse words, I might be garroted. So, it’s hard for me to understand why such swearing is acceptable when it comes to Christ. But the idea of confronting people about this makes me uneasy. Is there a better way to communicate my hurt? — DAINA

Dear Daina,

Perhaps we mere mortals are not meant to know why the all-powerful eternal being worshipped by you specifically is so incredibly pissy about the use of His name, being as He is all powerful and eternal and surely burdened with shit vastly more important than whether the kid behind the counter at Blockbuster mutters “Christ Almighty” under his breath when you pay for your rental in loose change. The Lord, as they say, moves in mysterious ways!

But to the crux (sorry!!!!!) of the matter: why are people allowed to do a cuss at Jesus, a cruel attack on a defenseless baby/the immortal Son of God and our Holy Redeemer and the Lamb of Vengeance who literally has the ability to damn humans to an eternity of unimaginable torment, but you can’t unleash a barrage of violent slurs on people whenever the mood strikes? How can it be that just anybody can string the words “god” and “damn” together, doing immeasurable harm to a helpless Supreme Creator who might, at any moment, begin unleashing a series of plagues upon the world to usher in Armageddon and put a final end to humanity as we know it like the good and loving sky-Parent He is, but you can’t verbally abuse people such that they fear for their safety and wellbeing?

I mean, where’s the justice in that? Nobody is allowed to use sexist, racist, anti-Semitic, or homophobic curse words these days without suffering horrible consequences, such as being invited to direct Lethal Weapon Five, while everyone is allowed to say mean things about your particular religion of choice, for example, authors are having their books ripped from the shelves of public schools if they even vaguely hint at the idea that people other than white, heterosexual, cisgender, Christian Americans exist. So your worldview definitely tracks with reality there!

Certainly what Jesus had in mind when He commanded us to love our neighbors was for good Christians such as yourself to release a battery of offensive slurs against our fellow community members in order to balance the scales of power, at last, in favor of the Almighty God The Creator of Heaven and Earth.
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[personal profile] gingicat 2021-11-18 06:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Not to mention that the people who started using this as profanity were... Christians. And that's why it's called profanity.

(I *know* I read an article recently about how societal mores control whether swearing in profane or sexual terms is worse at different points in history. Can I find it? Of course not.)
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[personal profile] lilysea 2021-11-18 10:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Now I want to know how many swear words combine god and sex!

There's Jesus-fucking-Christ, but I don't know of any others.

"Godfuck it!" isn't one I've heard, for instance.
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[personal profile] edenfalling 2021-11-19 12:51 am (UTC)(link)
There's always "God-fucking-dammit." I have also heard "fucking hell!" "Shitting hell" is less common, but I have encountered it once or twice in the wild, as it were.

And you can always prefix "damn(ed)" or "goddamn(ed)" to a sexual noun.
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[personal profile] purlewe 2021-11-19 07:29 pm (UTC)(link)
'Sblood was a reference to "god's blood" in Shakespearean times...
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[personal profile] conuly 2021-11-19 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
And in some places and times - looking at you, Modern Day Netherlands - it's disease all the way. A pox on you!
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[personal profile] watersword 2021-11-18 07:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, sure, Richard Spencer can play a minute-long recording of him screaming anti-Semitic and racist slurs at the top of his lungs in a courtroom (not linking for reasons of Richard Spencer, look for coverage of the Sines v. Kessler trial if you want to know more), but this poor LW can't use "sexist, racist, anti-Semitic or homophobic language as curse words" without being "garroted".

GARROTED.

These chucklefucks want to be persecuted so badly.
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[personal profile] leeshajoy 2021-11-18 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Somewhere in the notes on Tumblr is a theory that this person wanted to say "lynched" but decided that wouldn't go over well.
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[personal profile] watersword 2021-11-18 11:52 pm (UTC)(link)
The LW is entirely free to not use language they find distressing in their own speech; they are free to ask people in their life to refrain from using language they find distressing; I wish them all the success with this quest that trans people have with using and being referred to with their own pronouns.
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[personal profile] cereta 2021-11-19 03:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay, the moderator is hereby invoking Rule eight, because this conversation is going nowhere good. Blame me, blame the migraine that is spiking like crazy, blame the mountain of papers I have to grade, but I'd rather not spend the day watching over this thread to see if/when it crosses the line it's currently dancing on.

To be clear: I am all for this comm discussing difficult issues. But a big part of why I'm all for that is that I am wise enough in the ways of internet discussion to know when something is about to go pear-shaped in very bad ways. This is one of those times.
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[personal profile] ysobel 2021-11-23 12:32 am (UTC)(link)
*cackle*

The best part is textually it's not so much about cuss words (swearing as in obscenity that includes the word "God" or whatever), as oathbreaking (swearing as in promising to do something in the name of the Lord, then not doing the thing) ... so just saying "God damn" or "Jesus fucking Christ on a cracker" is fine; it's people who spew hate in the name of God or Jesus who are violating the commandment.