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jadelennox ([personal profile] jadelennox) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2021-06-14 07:56 am
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Ask Amy: LW has a transphobic friend and a trans kid and is somehow confused about what to do

Dear Amy: I have a friend with whom I often socialize. He's 65 years old and stubborn. This friend uses the term 'gender confused' when referring to people whom he perceives as not representing their assigned gender.

I used to find this annoying but would try to let it roll off my shoulders, chalking this up to his own ignorance about the gender spectrum.

Now I feel upset and angry when he uses this term because he's now referring to my own (gender transitioning) child when using this slur.

I've told him (more than once) that I find "gender confused" a slur against people who understand they are more comfortable expressing themselves as a gender other than their birth-assigned-gender, and he responded (loudly and angrily), "So you're saying I'm not entitled to my opinion?"

I believe he's entitled to his opinion, but I want to tell him that I don't want to continue our friendship if he feels a need to express his opinion in a way that makes me feel so sad and angry.

How do I do this when he isn't willing to listen or change his choice of words?

— Lonesome Single



Lonesome Single: You’ve already called out this person, and he has loudly responded that his opinion means more to him than respecting your stated wishes.

I’m not sure why you two end up discussing gender so often, but you don’t seem to have supplied him with a term you would prefer him to use. “Confusion” does not describe your transitioning child, but “Nonconforming” might.

It seems likely, however, that you do not have the power to inspire him to change either his opinion or the language he uses to express it.

Threatening to end the friendship over this will probably bring on another round of his opinions.

It’s possible that this friendship has run its course, and if that’s the case, it’s not necessary to issue a warning.
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[personal profile] cimorene 2021-06-14 12:23 pm (UTC)(link)
All of this but also I feel like the answer is like... correct but the answerer seems to fail to comprehend the scope of the LW's problem.

They don't just need advice about whether to continue the friendship, it seems like they are completely unable to deal with verbal conflict at all and also, as you point out, weirdly forgiving of these opinions given that they claim they WERE actually upsetting to them before. If someone keeps saying something habitually in conversation that upsets you, it doesn't even have to be a matter of bigotry or dehumanization - what they're saying doesn't even have to be morally or ethically wrong! It's enough to just... not want your friends to keep upsetting you? You can simply casually ask your friends to not use that term ("moist" for example), or to not talk about a whole topic! I've seen people request that the conversation completely avoid food, or any reference to death, in their presence and the other people around pretty much shrugged and complied!

Given this particular level of floundering, I think LW needed a more explicit talking-to about the moral and ethical issues as in [personal profile] jadelennox's comment but also probably some very specific discussion about how to disagree, contradict, make a request, or set a boundary, in the style of Captain Awkward.
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[personal profile] cimorene 2021-06-14 02:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Although in the answerer's defense it does sound like this guy is not really someone she needs as a friend if his response to the notion of being considerate of her is to shout at her about the very suggestion. And if her best course is to dump him, at least she doesn't need the script for him, although she is clearly in desperate need of one for later.