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conuly ([personal profile] conuly) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2025-08-09 08:47 pm

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My mother desperately wants grandchildren. I’m nearing 30 and have never wanted children; my partner feels the same way. We would both rather focus on our careers, and there are also some hereditary health conditions in our family — nothing life-threatening, but enough that we would rather not pass them on.

Despite knowing all this, my mother pressures us constantly. Every time I explain my position, she becomes distraught and insists I just don’t understand the joy a child would bring. She’s in poor physical and mental health, and these conversations quickly spiral into intense emotional distress. Any attempts at therapy have been flatly dismissed.

Now she’s saying that she’ll cut me out of her will if I don’t have a child. There’s not much money involved, but I worry that, if it comes to that, she might also cut off contact altogether. My sibling has already severed ties with my mother over her mental-health struggles. I want to keep my mother in my life, but I can’t stand the thought of this one issue dominating whatever time we have left together.

I’ve started to consider telling her I can’t have children because of fertility issues. That would be a lie, and I feel uneasy using something so many people genuinely struggle with as an excuse. Still, her fixation on grandchildren is seriously damaging our relationship. Should I lie to my mother to try to save our relationship, or keep telling the truth and watch things fall apart? — Name Withheld


Your mother is entitled to leave her estate to anyone she wishes, but using it as leverage this way is simply wrong. You have no obligation to give her grandchildren, no matter how deeply she wants them, and her refusal to accept your choices is clearly a problem.

But I would resist the temptation to lie. That’s not a sound foundation for any relationship. If your mother were truly unable to process reality, some compassionate deception might be justified. But this isn’t the situation you’re describing.

So I would explore a different approach. You might invite her to counseling or mediation, not to assign blame but to show that you care about your relationship and want to find a way forward that doesn’t involve pretending. Plainly, your mother could benefit from help that she’s not willing to accept, but in the absence of this, a neutral third party — a counselor or, if you’re religious, a cleric of some sort — might help prevent things from spiraling. Just having someone else in the room can be enough to keep the conversation on track.

You can’t control how your mother will react. What you can do is be honest about the life you’ve chosen. Not every family story goes the way parents hope, but clarity, at least, is something you can offer her and yourself.

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[personal profile] mrissa 2025-08-10 02:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I really do see the value of therapy in some circumstances, but also I feel that when someone says that it is flatly dismissed, the advice columnist proposing it as their main solution is NOT DOING THEIR JOB.

Relatedly, I feel like when someone's stated goal is to not spend all their time on this issue, proposing a solution that would take between substantial and infinite time is again the advice columnist NOT DOING THEIR JOB. We have no reason to think that someone who has LW's mom's position would EVER change their position, so why on earth would LW want to spend hours upon hours of therapy justifying something that requires no justification? Just a weird fail on the columnist's part.
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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2025-08-10 01:14 am (UTC)(link)
I wonder if there's something in Captain Awkward's archives that we could send to LW.
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[personal profile] ysabetwordsmith 2025-08-10 03:16 am (UTC)(link)
I envision this going from "When are you going to have children?" to "Here are 312 materials for fertility treatments and adoption." Probably not an improvement.
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[personal profile] topaz_eyes 2025-08-10 04:50 am (UTC)(link)
LW, don't lie about having fertility issues to try to save your relationship with your mother. She's hoping you'll come around because with sibling out of the picture, all her hopes for the future are pinned on you. Your sibling has already cut her off; your mother needs to understand that she risks losing you too if she doesn't stop pushing you for grandchildren.

Plainly, your mother could benefit from help that she’s not willing to accept -- The Ethicist suggests mediation but I'm not sure what that can accomplish in this case, because this issue is not something either Mom or LW will compromise on. But LW doesn't have to compromise here. Mom does.
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[personal profile] mrissa 2025-08-10 02:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, you are absolutely correct that LW does not have to compromise here. In some ways mediation is an even worse idea than therapy here, because mediation is based on FINDING MIDDLE GROUND. Many/most mediators will tell you that in their out loud words. LW has no reason to move in their position on having a kid and every reason not to. If you're not interested in changing your position at all, don't go to mediation.
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[personal profile] liminaltime 2025-08-10 01:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I also don't recommend lying about being infertile. People who genuinely struggle with infertility (been there myself) have to contend with the most ridiculous unsolicited advice, like "just relax and it'll happen" or "just adopt and then you'll get pregnant" or "have sex in x position" or "just do IVF."

This mom is definitely being unhinged. LW doesn't owe anybody children they don't want. I agree that these conversations just need to be stopped in their tracks.
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[personal profile] rymenhild 2025-08-10 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Yep. Solidarity. I was keeping count of "why don't you adopt" when I first let people know about my infertility. I don't remember but we heard it a lot. (We didn't hear the other statements, but we're a queer couple of a variety that obviously has zero chance of pregnancy the usual way.)

The grandchild pressure is super toxic.
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[personal profile] liminaltime 2025-08-11 01:21 pm (UTC)(link)
The pressure to adopt comes from people who don't understand that adopting a child is a lot more difficult and expensive than they realize, and would never consider adopting one themselves.
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[personal profile] frenzy 2025-08-12 12:46 am (UTC)(link)
I'll never forget my mother suggesting I stand on my fucking head after my exhusband came inside of me because "you never know it just might work" lmfao fuck off mom
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[personal profile] liminaltime 2025-08-12 01:25 pm (UTC)(link)
OMG! When people want you to have a baby, they really try to make your sex life their business. :/
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[personal profile] frenzy 2025-08-12 02:40 pm (UTC)(link)
fwiw, i was pretty candid with my family. but FOR REAL. like oh my god mom stop
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[personal profile] cereta 2025-08-12 02:19 pm (UTC)(link)
My personal favorite was always, "the fun is in the trying!" Not after a year of peeing on sticks to determine ovulation and having sex that day whether you feel like it or not, it isn't.
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[personal profile] frenzy 2025-08-12 02:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh gods, I'm glad no one told me that. Tell that to me while i scroll babies of instagram crying lol

it didnt work out. it contributed to our divorce and it wound up being my exhusbands fault lol
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[personal profile] zana16 2025-08-10 01:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I don’t get why someone would sacrifice their relationship with their real life child in the name of a theoretical grandchild who does not exist…

But that is the mother’s choice. She’s already ruined this relationship. It’s time for “I will leave if you even mention grandchildren” —- or maybe an air horn.
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[personal profile] ethelmay 2025-08-10 03:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Because children/grandchildren bring you joy, dammit, and MY JOY HAS TO BE IN HERE SOMEPLACE [*bangs on side of machine*]
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[personal profile] castiron 2025-08-10 05:31 pm (UTC)(link)
GRANDKIDS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE MY REWARD FOR GIVING BIRTH AND REARING CHILDREN [*keeps banging on side of machine*]
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[personal profile] magid 2025-08-10 02:35 pm (UTC)(link)
It’s time for LW to hang up/walk out if saying “this is not a topic I am willing to discuss again” doesn’t work.

Potential grandma needs to focus on getting her needs met herself, rather than through her children. Perhaps she can volunteer with a local group that helps kids?
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[personal profile] movingfinger 2025-08-10 06:00 pm (UTC)(link)
You can't argue with or therapize a parent like this, if you're their child. The sibling who has already cut off contact did it for a reason. LW should hang up or leave when Mom brings up grandchildren, in mid-bite if necessary.