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the sun and the moon and the stars ([personal profile] eleanorjane) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2017-05-23 01:36 pm

Carolyn Hax: when honesty is not the best policy

(From here.)

DEAR CAROLYN: My 11-year-old daughter is going through a phase right now of extreme, black-and-white thinking. Right is right and wrong is wrong. This is challenging sometimes.

My mother-in-law loves to host but it’s pretty obvious she buys entire meals pre-packaged from a grocery store chain and passes them off as hers. The adults just pretend we don’t know.

Earlier this week my sister-in-law brought this up in a joking way and she, my husband, and I had a laugh about it. Well, my daughter heard this and confronted us about Grandma’s cooking. We tried to explain to her that it’s a kindness not to say, “You didn’t take the garbage out so I saw the takeout containers.” My daughter replied with, “So when you told Grandma her potatoes tasted good, it was a lie?”

She is right, really. We all sort of lie, and so does Grandma.

My daughter told us in no uncertain terms that she will not pretend that Grandma cooked the meal. She is also rather frosty toward us for our willing participation in this, her word, charade, and asked, “What else has Grandma been lying about?”

My husband thinks we should just let this play out, and that our daughter will not be able to look her grandmother in the eye and actually say this stuff. I am almost positive our daughter will say this stuff, and maybe we should warn his mother. Any advice?

We All Sort of Lie

DEAR WE ALL SORT OF LIE: Off the record, please don’t correct your future journalist/scientist/prosecutor too successfully.

On the record, the most important thing here is your daughter’s socialization. You can accomplish that whether you warn Grandma or not — because the consequences of not warning her just aren’t that dire, and because your mission is unchanged regardless. Your daughter has forced you to defend beliefs you probably haven’t examined for a long time, if ever, as kids do so mind-blowingly well.

So find a way to justify your approach to honesty that withstands scrutiny … or admit your daughter is right. “It’s a kindness” is fine as far as it goes, but where specifically are the lines between cruelty and kindness, and kindness and deceit?

Whether you tip off Grandma or let her startled face be part of your daughter’s education, the next dinner will be instructive for your daughter.

So, yeah, I’m giving you nothing. Tell us how it went!
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[personal profile] fox 2017-05-23 01:37 pm (UTC)(link)
When I was about six, a decent-sized fuss was made about my dad turning 35. Meanwhile, my grandmother always ostentatiously claimed to be 29. Turns out six is when I worked out (probably because my dad's age had never been a subject of conversation before) that this did not compute. I sensibly asked my mother how it could possibly be that Grandma was 29 if Daddy was 35, and my mother sensibly said "Your grandmother is not telling the truth. Sometimes ladies pretend about their age. It's silly. But you mustn't tell her you know it's not true, okay?" And I think I kept it under my hat, the fact that I knew the truth, until I was a teenager and my grandmother made a big party for her 65th birthday and I was able to say "Wow, Grandma, from 29 to 65 in one year?"

... Anyway. I too would warn Grandma in this instance. There's no stopping an 11-year-old who believes she Knows What Is Right, so the real kindness is to soften the ground a little bit so her words don't hurt her grandmother as much.