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conuly ([personal profile] conuly) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2024-09-26 02:29 pm

Two letters, two seven year old nephews

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1. Dear Care and Feeding,

My husband and I have temporary custody of his sister’s child. “Jeremy” is 7 years old and going through tons of difficult changes. He was removed from the home for reasons not related to abuse. He’s living with us, can’t see his parents, and is at a new school. He didn’t know our family to begin with, and is also adjusting to having siblings with a different dynamic than in his parents’ home. We have him in play therapy but I’m not sure if it’s doing anything.
Our problem is how to make him feel secure in our household when the rules are so much looser than he’s used to. We have unstructured time for independent play every day, without instructions. We don’t go to church or have prayer hour at home. We allow (supervised) mainstream cartoons on weeknights. We don’t have dessert often but no one is required to finish a plate, kids just have to take a bite of every food. We don’t spank but we do have firm time-outs. We don’t have girl chores and boy chores, we have age-appropriate chores everyone rotates through. We dress more casually, especially me and our girls. All of this is different from his parents’ place. And any time he catches himself enjoying things that are different from his parents’ rules, he has a small meltdown.

Jeremy worries all the time about getting in trouble, even though he follows our house rules and does well in school. He gets overwhelmed when he is given a choice of what to do (when he expects to just be told), and treats or special occasions are especially hard. Our biological kids (5 and 8) get along with him OK and are very patient, but he’s afraid of getting in trouble all of the time. Recently, he had a crying meltdown when our younger daughter had goldfish before a late dinner (we gave her permission) because he was scared she would be in trouble. He laid on the floor in between us and her and screamed and sobbed about how he did it, not her, and “she didn’t mean it” until we reassured him that she wasn’t in trouble and neither was he. How do we find more support for him? Or make him feel safer at home? It’s been three months, and his social worker is stretched thin so if he’s in good health, she has no other involvement.

—Loose Rules Auntie


Dear Auntie,

I reached out to Sarah Feteau, a licensed clinical social worker, for some guidance in answering your question. As a former foster care case worker with the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services, Feteau saw a lot of familiar themes in your letter from the clients she used to serve. The number one thing she urged was patience.

“Jeremy spent years following the rules and expectations in his home of origin,” Feteau said. “It will take months, or even years, for him to feel safe enough to do things differently than what he has been taught. As for you, consistency is key! It sounds like you’re doing a great job of creating a safe space for Jeremy and letting him know the expectations in your home. Focus on the positives! Praise Jeremy when he does well in school and at home.”

Feteau also suggested that if Jeremy has trouble with open-ended situations, like free time, it’s appropriate to offer him two choices to choose from so that he feels less anxious or overwhelmed. And, she advised that you and your husband should each spend some time one-on-one with Jeremy so that he can continue to develop secure relationships with you both.

I’ll add a few things I would consider in your shoes:

Find out of if you can meet with the play therapist for coaching based on what they’re working on with Jeremy. And while I think you should also have patience with play therapy (it can take time), once you can get on the social worker’s schedule you can ask her about whether it’s within your power to find additional therapy for Jeremy if you think it’s necessary.

Think about ways you can help Jeremy make sense of this new set of rules. Use analogies—one that comes to mind is sports. You could explain to him that different houses have different rules just like different sports do. In soccer, you can’t touch the ball with your hands, but in football you can. It doesn’t mean that one is right or wrong, they’re just different, and people can play both sports. (I know you might be balking at the restrictiveness of his birth home—I certainly am—but I think this point could be really important to make if the ultimate goal is reunification with his parents. You want him to be set up for success in your home, but you also need to ensure he can reacclimate there.)

Find a community of other foster caregivers. Whether you turn to social media groups, books, or support groups (Feteau noted that the social worker might be able to refer some in your area if you can’t find one), I think it’s always helpful to know you aren’t on an island.

Hang in there. Progress isn’t always linear. Find the small victories and lean into them while you continue to support him in his adjustments.

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2. Dear Care and Feeding,

My 7-year-old nephew, Jason, is off the rails. He has had a hard few years, his parents divorced, his father moved across the state, and then over the summer, he moved with his mom (my sister) to live with our parents while my sister looked for a new place. He started at a new school a few weeks ago.

He has always had anger issues. I’ve watched him time and time again hit, yell, and sometimes attempt to bite my sister. He will stop responding to everyone and just get sullen and quiet. There are some control issues with other things as well. My sister has also done a poor job of maintaining and enforcing boundaries (think taking away the TV only to relent as Jason dug in after five minutes of a screaming fit).

However, this has culminated in two major issues over the last week. For reasons I’m unsure about, Jason seems unable to recognize hunger signs (my child, now 15, never had this issue). He goes from being fine to hangry in two minutes. Previously, this would lead to him not talking and maybe hanging back a bit from the group as we walked. However, my sister, my child and I took Jason to an amusement park. We were talking about getting lunch, and he said he wanted to go back on a ride. We told him we wanted to go get food and we’d come back to the ride later. Thinking he’d just trail us (as he is known to do), we started off. We later turned around to find out that Jason had completely disappeared. The security people said he found them right by the ride he was waiting at. While he got props for finding security, we still emphasized that behavior wasn’t OK. Later, when we said it was time to go, we had to physically drag him from the park.

Then, I found out that my sister was called into the new school because Jason was trying to escape. I didn’t get all the details but he was trying to run out the front door more than once. He said he was bored in his class (he was swapped to another one after this) and that they didn’t do anything. He has previously attempted to run away from home a few times, never getting very far.

He is in therapy and has been since he was little. While obviously his therapist has changed with the move, he says he likes his new one. He says he doesn’t remember any of the techniques that his old one taught him for his anger. My sister has repeatedly brought up the running away/hanging back issue but I don’t know what’s been talked about. I’m at a loss about what to do. I want to be a supportive aunt, and I want to be able to take him places (both by myself, with my kid, and with his mom!). My parents, who are elderly, want to be able to take him places. But we are all terrified he is going to run off and get hurt. The fact that nothing happened at the amusement park was likely dumb luck. What are our options here besides never taking Jason anywhere? We have all talked with him until we are blue in the face about needing to stay with us. It hasn’t helped.

—Can’t Keep Him Home Forever


Dear Home Forever,

This is one of those letters where I wish we were having this conversation over coffee, because I have several questions and disparate thoughts that are hard to synthesize without more information. But I’ll give it my best shot.

It sounds like Jason has had a hard life. At only 7 years old, he’s experienced divorce, relocations, new schools, and whatever else might have been going on in his home before his parents separated. And while I’m sure he’s exhibiting a lot of unwanted behavior—and probably has been for a while—these things are undoubtedly connected, so I get a little uncomfortable when I see phrases like “off the rails,” and comparing his behavior to your child, who probably has had a much more stable home life. I believe you when you say you love him and want the best for him, no doubt, but maybe just do a vibe check on yourself. I always bristle, for example, when I hear folks say, “I know he has ADHD, but he just needs to pay more attention!” To me, I wonder if a similar thing might be happening with Jason—acknowledging the challenges in his life but still maybe judging him for how its manifesting. I might be wrong, and if I am, I happily take it back.

The reason I’m asking about that is that when something is amiss, often times we expect the individual to adapt to their environment, but we don’t often think about how we can help the environment adapt to them. It’s a subtle but important shift. So, regarding the amusement park, you were right to correct his decision to leave the group, and I think there are also other actions you can take on the next outing to set everyone up for success. You could carry snacks, so that everyone stays regulated. You could insist all children walk ahead of or next to you. You could make an order of operations plan for the day so that Jason, and everyone, knows what is going to happen in which order, and ensure that everyone participates in and understands changes of plans. This can make impulses less likely to take over, plus these kinds of habits help all kids feel more in control.

One near-future step could be to set up a family counseling session with Jason’s therapist so that you, your sister, and your parents are all on the same page for how to work with Jason. He’s going to need boundaries and consistency from you all, as well as a lot of love and patience. That can be a really hard alchemy to strike, as we covered above, especially if he’s being violent or dismissive. Working as a team is your best chance, I think, for a path forward that helps everyone thrive together.
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[personal profile] hail_ashanome 2024-09-26 07:32 pm (UTC)(link)
The fact he threw himself in front of his cousin and had a full meltdown trying to take the fall for the crime of eating a snack suggests something disturbing about what “getting in trouble” has historically entailed for this kid, yeah.
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[personal profile] ashbet 2024-09-26 08:32 pm (UTC)(link)
My heart breaks for this kid, just from reading between the lines (and reading the lines themselves!) :/
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[personal profile] katiedid717 2024-09-26 07:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I used to be friends with a couple who fostered the wife's cousin's daughter for two years, not because of any abuse, but because the parents were going through a contentious divorce; their daughter was picking up on the anger/hostility between the parents and started having behavioral issues. She was displaying some of the same things Jeremy is - disproportionate responses to perceived problems, lying to take blame, melting down over perceived failures, etc - because when she was 4, all she knew was that Daddy did something wrong and Mommy didn't love him anymore (there was an affair), and she was afraid that the same thing would happen to her.
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[personal profile] katiedid717 2024-09-26 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I think there are probably still a lot of households with male/female chores, and the note about LW and daughters not wearing skirts/dresses made me think "modest" dress associated with some religious beliefs moreso than formal. I'm pretty solidly atheist and have been for about 25 years, but I'm still pretty hesitant to say religious upbringing = abuse. But that's just my $0.02
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[personal profile] dissectionist 2024-09-26 09:51 pm (UTC)(link)
There’s spanking. It’s abusive, regardless of whether it was coming from religion or not.
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[personal profile] katiedid717 2024-09-26 11:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Saying "We don't spank" doesn't mean the kid's parents do.
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[personal profile] dissectionist 2024-09-27 12:30 am (UTC)(link)
You don’t need to assure a kid you don’t spank unless they grew up in a house where it happens. Kids don’t assume they’ll get hit if it hasn’t been a part of their life.
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[personal profile] jadelennox 2024-09-27 05:34 am (UTC)(link)

Also stressing that at LW he's allowed to play without "instructions", and "can’t see his parents".

Honestly my read is that LW also thinks this was nigh abusive at best, and is straining so hard to be fair that we can all see the seams.

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[personal profile] ellen_fremedon 2024-09-27 02:15 pm (UTC)(link)
"Removed from the home for reasons not related to abuse" very carefully does not say that there wasn't abuse going on.
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[personal profile] lilysea 2024-09-27 02:49 am (UTC)(link)
Despite what LW1 says, Jeremy was very obviously being abused

yes, 100%

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[personal profile] katiedid717 2024-09-26 07:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh man, poor Nephew #1. The recommendation to offer him a couple options of things to do is a good one - I know my 4yo niece was struggling with keeping herself buy during her independent quiet play time on weekends (when little sister naps and her parents clean up from lunch, do some chores, have alone time, etc) until my sister started setting up "stations" for her so she could choose between 3-4 activities for the hour in her room. I also think the sports analogy is a good one to use. The other thing I would have suggested is seeing what kind of services might be available through school - one of my friends in a school psychologist at the elementary level, and I know she had a couple of group sessions she would run for kids who were in foster care, kids whose parents were divorcing, etc. If something like that exists at his school, it could be a good way for him to get some extra counseling time without feeling singled out.
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[personal profile] melannen 2024-09-26 08:06 pm (UTC)(link)
#2 if the main concern with Jason is the risk he'll run off and get lost or injured - and it sounds like maybe it is? - There are practical ways to reduce the risk. 7 is a bit old for a toddler leash, but there are variations on it - we used to have two bracelets connected by a elastic cord, and it was easy enough to slip the bracelet - but the person on the other end would immediately feel that you'd slipped it. Especially with the elderly grandparents, you could set up outings for just Jason and the grandparents, and frame it as a way for Jason to keep his grandparents safe. There's also electronic locators (or communicators) of various kinds you could use (and I usually don't support tracking your kids, but giving one to a seven year old before a zoo trip is a different situation - and if you give one that lets the kid track the parent too, it can help in other ways.) But depending on the kid, even getting a set of cool walkie-talkies might be the solution.

But honestly? If you're used to letting him "trail behind" to the extent that nobody notices if he's missing for awhile - you all need to make a better effort to include that kid when you're trying to have a fun day with him! No kid should constantly feel like they can wander off and nobody would miss them. If he hangs back, you all hang back too and make it really obvious that he's holding everyone up. Set a norm that kids always walk ahead of adults no matter what. Talk to him! If he's telling you about his pokemans he won't wander off. Don't let dropping way behind stay the habit.
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[personal profile] tielan 2024-09-27 04:39 am (UTC)(link)
If you're used to letting him "trail behind" to the extent that nobody notices if he's missing for awhile - you all need to make a better effort to include that kid when you're trying to have a fun day with him!

Yeah, that concerned me too.
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[personal profile] haggis 2024-09-26 10:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I feel heartbroken for Jeremy. The foster family are doing their best but it must be extremely disorienting for him. If he has been used to strict rules and immediate harsh consequences, he may well be expecting that he will cross an unstated line and suddenly be in trouble again at any moment. I definitely think that more structure would help him but mostly, it will just be time.
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[personal profile] tielan 2024-09-27 04:43 am (UTC)(link)
I feel like Jeremy might do better starting with some rules that more closely resemble those that he's accustomed to. Not rules that are the same, but rules that don't rely on him having to make a choice that (he fears) might turn out to be "wrong". The "choice of two things" is a good one, along with affirming whatever he determines.

Over time, his conceptualisation that the choices he's being offered have no "wrong/right" dimension will improve. But right now, too much choice will be more difficult for him to navigate than limited choices. And maybe someday when she offers him A or B, he will venture, "can I have C?" And there can be much rejoicing.