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oursin ([personal profile] oursin) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2024-08-02 10:16 am

Good grief, and the son is actually in work

My adult son has moved back home and is behaving like a teenager – and I’m deeply unhappy

My adult son moved back home several months ago, ostensibly to support me as I went through immunotherapy (after chemo and radiotherapy for cancer). However, my life feels like hell. I was quite content before. I felt OK about the cancer, and was running my home well. Now, I’m beyond exhausted.

I’m doing so much extra housework (he rarely contributes because when not working he’s “too tired and needs downtime”) and he’s reverted to the teenage behaviour of leaving plates of food in his room, coffee dripped on the floor, toothpaste-splattered surfaces, and so on. He comes home late from work, then keeps me awake until 2am or 3am with doors slamming, cooking and gaming. We’ve discussed how much I’m struggling, how hard I’m finding returning to the role of active parenting and how my mood is degenerating. I’m really unhappy.

Apart from talking, we’ve argued – or we live in stony silence. I liked my home as it was and I enjoyed coping. Now, I dread most days. I have around two to three years of life left and I’m terrified that this is how it will be. I’ve asked him to move out (his father lives around 10 minutes away and it would cost my son nothing). He calmly promises to improve and, of course, nothing happens. I’m so very, very tired and sad and at a loss as to how to manage the situation. What should I do?
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Eleanor responds
I’m so sorry you’re going through this. This sounds like a huge intrusion on your peace right when peace is at a premium.

Confronted with the massive insensitivity of a loved one we can sometimes feel caught between two equally bad-seeming options. The first is to be silent. The second is to have a confrontation. Both feel so teeth-pullingly awful that we often hope some third solution will materialise in time. In fairness, sometimes time does panel-beat the problem away. People grow out of the aggravating habit; the years float the relationship into new circumstances, leaving the old dynamic behind. To gamble that time will sort things out – even if that means paying the cost of staying silent – isn’t always a bad choice.

But here’s my question: are you willing to take that gamble? You’re living through a horrible hastening of the sands in the hourglass. I don’t want to speak for you, but in my experience that makes me want to trade gambles for certainties. It sounds like you have – or had – a pretty clear picture of how you want to spend your time. It also sounds like you’ve handled this diagnosis with admirable fortitude. And I think you get to do whatever you damn well please with your days.

Maybe you want to seize the day? Maybe you think the day bruises like a peach and you want to hold it gently instead? Maybe you want to travel, maybe you just want to feel scared about what’s coming? Whatever it is, this is the time to switch abstract wishes for a concrete strategy. You shouldn’t have to merely hope that other people will get out of your way enough to let that happen. You should get to know that they will. And they should be doing everything they can.

What’s the case against telling your son that it’s time to move out, or insisting on therapy together? Not asking. Not making a misunderstandable suggestion like “have you thought about staying with your dad?”. Closer to something like: “I appreciate what you’ve done, but if we cannot solve this, I want this time and space to myself”. Though your letter is, of course, just one part of how you feel, you do sound clear: you said you’re really unhappy, that you’re terrified things will stay this way.

That conversation might be really difficult for him. Twenty-seven feels younger on the inside than it seems, and he will have huge feelings about your diagnosis. (Is regressing maybe a way of clinging on to the experience of having a mum, of being your child?) These are all good reasons to approach this with kindness, and not treat him as though he is only a pain. But they’re not reasons to put his experience over yours. Telling him this has to change or he’s out is not you causing a rift in the family. He’s done that already. It’s just that so far, you’re the only one who’s noticed.

I know it’s easy to hope a third solution will come out of the clouds. But waiting for that solution defaults to the kind of reasoning we always use: we live as though there will be more time.

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[personal profile] mrissa 2024-08-02 10:33 am (UTC)(link)
Do we think it's likely that this actually is the son "reverting" rather than just...never having any other behavior, but for a while making someone else's home a pit rather than his mum's? I know that the LW describes him as having reverted, but I am skeptical that he ever got to some other stage of considerate housemate behavior, and thus I am skeptical of attributing this inconsideration to wanting to be parented (or, let's be real, mothered; not going to go live at Dad's because Dear Old Pop will not clean up after him?).

I just have such a hard time with "27 is still baby." "Feels younger on the inside than it seems," come on now.
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[personal profile] full_metal_ox 2024-08-02 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
27 is old enough to run for U.S. state office.
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[personal profile] tielan 2024-08-02 10:41 am (UTC)(link)
I feel like Eleanor's response misses that LW seems to have done just about everything except change the locks.

Dear LW: can you evict him?
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[personal profile] mrissa 2024-08-02 11:12 am (UTC)(link)
Yes. "I know conflict is hard" yes so does LW know that, because she's been having a ton of it.
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[personal profile] dissectionist 2024-08-02 01:21 pm (UTC)(link)
27 is a full-grown adult. This isn’t a matter of a teenager who might mature if given a couple more years to do so; this is someone who has had these habits for a long time and is comfortable with them. My guess is that the son has been in relationships with others who put the work into parenting this man-baby, and that’s what allowed LW to think that he has grown up. Or he lived far enough away that LW wasn’t seeing his home space, and assumed he was doing a better job than he was.

He isn’t going to change at this point and needs to be shoveled out the door like the parasite he’s choosing to be.
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[personal profile] magid 2024-08-02 01:56 pm (UTC)(link)
If he moved home "to help her", well, he's not doing that, and actually making things worse. If he had no other landing place he could go, well, it's time to figure that out on his own, if dad's place isn't available. But he has to be out now, not after weeks/months of therapy, boundary-setting, whatever. One week, maybe. But otherwise? SHE's got the medical diagnosis and all that comes with it, and he needs to get out of the way if he's not actually helping.
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[personal profile] ashbet 2024-08-02 04:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I think that a week is pushing it – if he relocated to help his parent, it would be hard to find a new living situation in that amount of time.

I do think that the letter writer should tell him that this isn’t working, and that he needs to find somewhere else to live, and to set a reasonable deadline for that.
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[personal profile] magid 2024-08-02 05:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Except that his father lives nearby, so even if he doesn't move all of his stuff out, there's another parent to go stay with, even if he doesn't have any friends nearby and can't pay for short-term housing.
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[personal profile] ashbet 2024-08-02 05:29 pm (UTC)(link)
That's assuming (1) the father has space, (2) the son's relationship with the father is good, (3) the father is willing.

I'm not saying that the son shouldn't move out, just that a week is not a reasonable request, given the current housing crunch.
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[personal profile] magid 2024-08-02 05:37 pm (UTC)(link)
He's already killing his relationship with his mother, and she shouldn't have to deal with it in addition to her diagnosis. He has not made any good faith effort at all (2am cooking, not cleaning up after himself, etc.). Just because she's his mother doesn't mean she has to put up with it any more if she doesn't want to. She's the one who mentioned the nearby father, so presumably that is an option, or the OP wouldn't have listed it as one. And while moving all of one's stuff out may take longer, getting one adult and one suitcase out can happen the same day.

As for the father maybe not having space: he likely has a couch that could be a place to sleep, at least as an interim solution. There are also AirBnBs, hotels, etc. most places. He can leave for a couple of days at least.
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[personal profile] movingfinger 2024-08-02 06:05 pm (UTC)(link)
His living situation is not her problem to solve. Her problem is that he is making her living situation unbearable. He is the problem.
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[personal profile] topaz_eyes 2024-08-02 03:08 pm (UTC)(link)
LW's time is limited and there's no indication that her son will change. He has to go asap. Imho she should seek legal advice about how to do it; ideally son will leave without trouble, but LW must be prepared for that.
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[personal profile] princessofgeeks 2024-08-02 04:04 pm (UTC)(link)
OMG kick him out. Yesterday.
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[personal profile] lokifan 2024-08-03 12:30 pm (UTC)(link)
God, this poor woman :( How awful and selfish of the son.