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conuly ([personal profile] conuly) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2024-07-20 06:09 pm

Hoping this letter is fake!

Dear Care and Feeding,

I have three adult children, and I don’t know what to do about my youngest, Rita. My husband and I were educators, so we had high expectations. Our first two children excelled academically on their own. They transferred from public to private school and attended the Ivy Leagues for undergraduate and graduate school. Rita did not, and she stayed in public school for K-12, college, and graduate school.

My husband and I used a rewards system. Anytime my kids wanted something, we required a minimum 3.5 GPA. That’s how my other two kids got private school, trips abroad, tutors, sports camps, a new bicycle, etc. (Rita didn’t, specifically a tutor, because she wouldn’t meet our requirements. My husband said Rita will use any special accommodation to avoid schoolwork.) Those opportunities propelled my first two kids to marry into wealthy families and obtain lucrative jobs.

Rita did well until fourth grade. I wondered if a learning disability was present because she tried but constantly failed. My husband, her teachers, and our doctor said she was lazy and unmotivated. My therapist, who saw her too, said girls couldn’t get ADHD. My husband insisted on keeping the same rewards system for Rita, especially when she begged us to stop the bullying at school. He felt that bullying would be the ultimate motivation for her to improve, but she didn’t.

Fast-forward: Soon after Rita’s 50th birthday, she was diagnosed with ADHD. My husband and other kids don’t believe it. I’m skeptical. Rita said we punished her for behaviors she couldn’t help, and the only reason her siblings did well is because we rewarded them for being neurotypical. She says we never truly helped her. We tried to help her, but ultimately Rita was solely responsible for her achievements, just like my other two kids.

Rita’s relationship with us was already distant, and now it’s nearly non-existent. She won’t talk to her siblings. She says she should get a bigger share of her inheritance because we gave her siblings a lot of money but not her. (Although that’s true, I don’t want to punish the other two.) How can I get Rita to understand we did the best we could? I can’t change the past, and I miss my grandkids.

—We Didn’t Know!


Dear We Didn’t Know,

It never ceases to amaze me how many people seem to view it as intrinsically beneath them to admit they made a mistake and apologize to their children.

Your choices were in fact miles short of “the best you could do.” You might not have known about Rita’s ADHD when she was growing up. It’s not your fault you were given outdated, mistaken information about how girls can’t have ADHD. But you knew that your child was trying—your own words, from your letter—and still struggling. And instead of trying to see her strengths and abilities, trying to figure out how to help her, you and your husband blamed her, treated her worse than her siblings, left her at the mercy of bullies, and denied her opportunities for fun and enrichment—even a tutor who might have been able to help her study more effectively and raise the grades you cared so much about!—because you decided she was a lazy failure. I can’t imagine the damage that must have done to not only her trust in you, but also her self-esteem.

Now you’re questioning the diagnosis your daughter has received, presumably by someone qualified to give it. (It’s as if you don’t want her to have the “excuse” of a disability, though in your letter you admit that you once wondered whether she had one!) You and your husband are refusing to admit that you made serious and harmful mistakes while raising her, and are still holding what you perceive to be her “failures” against her—like not going to an Ivy League school (I’m begging you to get over yourselves) or marrying rich (marrying rich is not an accomplishment!). But it sounds as though Rita has done quite well for herself despite your appalling lack of compassion and self-awareness. She graduated from high school and went to college and grad school. She has a family of her own now. She was curious and cared enough about herself to pursue an evaluation which has yielded new and important information about how her brain works. And while you might not see her confrontation with you in a positive light, I think it points to both an admirable willingness to stand up for herself and a desire to give you one last chance. Think about it: She could have just peaced out without ever telling you why. Instead, she’s giving you an opportunity to hear why she’s angry, understand something important about her, take responsibility for your actions, and apologize.

As for the money: If Rita is in need of financial support right now, offer it; it’s the least you can do. I might put a pin in the inheritance discussion for now—I wouldn’t say no outright to what Rita is asking, because I could see a scenario in which she might really need or deserve more of the support and resources you denied her when she was a child. But it might make sense to focus on trying to address the rifts you’ve caused in your relationship (assuming that is even possible) before you dig into the inheritance question. Until you actually choose to respect and empathize with and make amends to your daughter, I don’t know how you’re going to have an honest, productive conversation about anything.

Your parenting choices have caused your daughter decades of pain. And still, you might have one last chance to be honest about your failures, show her that you want a real relationship with her, and build something new. If you pass on that opportunity because you just can’t admit you were wrong—or because you and your husband want to persist in judging your daughter for things that weren’t and aren’t her fault—I suppose that’s your choice. Just don’t be surprised if you then find yourselves fully cut off from her and your grandchildren.

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[personal profile] topaz_eyes 2024-07-20 11:17 pm (UTC)(link)
If Rita is 50 now, she would've been in 4th grade around 1983-1984, when ADHD was only rarely diagnosed in girls. But it was still acknowledged in 1984 that girls developed ADHD even if it was thought to present differently than in boys. Real so-called "educators" would have learned that back then too. LW and husband have no excuse for their failure to stand up for Rita, either to get a proper diagnosis and treatment, and/or to stop the bullying. LW's attitude towards Rita having a disability is also horrifying.

Rita succeeded despite her parents, not because of them. LW doesn't get to ask Rita to understand anything--LW must beg for Rita's forgiveness.
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[personal profile] neotoma 2024-07-20 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I was also diagnosed with ADHD at the age of 50, and boy howdy were my parents better with my struggles as a child than the LW. Even if they didn't know Rita had ADHD, they knew she had problems, and they Did Not Help Her.

Rita didn’t, specifically a tutor, because she wouldn’t meet our requirements -- a tutor can help kids who are having problems, since that's one of the reasons you hire a tutor in the first place. I just have no words how angry this LW is making me.

Frankly, if Rita cuts ties, especially with her siblings who seem to have been the Golden Child and the yardstick Rita was measured against and found wanting, I can't blame her.
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[personal profile] inkstone 2024-07-21 01:06 am (UTC)(link)
I don't even understand the logic of considering tutors rewards on par with a new bicycle or trip abroad??? Like they're not even remotely in the same category to me. They're educational aids! Which could have helped Rita!!
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[personal profile] castiron 2024-07-20 11:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm trying to wrap my head around "Rita didn't do well enough in school, so I didn't get her a tutor" -- WTF??? The whole point of tutoring is to help kids learn; it's not supposed to be a reward for already being a good student!
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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2024-07-21 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
There is a werid pseudo-logic some parents use, where they take any and every thing a child does as a Deliberate Defiant Decision. For example my father once told me proudly how when I was a baby he decided to not remove me from the church service when I cried because I'd learn I could leave the church service whenever I wanted. Mind you I was a baby. And I'm sure everyone else in church enjoyed hearing me cry. *eyeroll*

My parents treated me like that my whole childhood, and I see that above in how LW treated Rita. Because, LW decided, Rita was Deliberately Being Lazy, giving her the tutoring help she asked for would Reward Her Laziness. That's how LW made her cruelty to her child make sense to herself. It is of course bullshit bottom to top but at least it holds together, kinda.
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[personal profile] full_metal_ox 2024-07-21 02:48 am (UTC)(link)
There is a werid pseudo-logic some parents use, where they take any and every thing a child does as a Deliberate Defiant Decision.

Good thing Rita didn’t get diagnosed with Oppositional Defiant Disorder (AKA Fast Track To The Prison-Industrial Complex)—-although that might have been a bit too disgraceful for the sort of parents implied.

For example my father once told me proudly how when I was a baby he decided to not remove me from the church service when I cried because I'd learn I could leave the church service whenever I wanted. Mind you I was a baby. And I'm sure everyone else in church enjoyed hearing me cry. *eyeroll*

It sounds as if your father would agree with Mike Warnke’s(1) take on the subject of people disturbed by babies crying in church: “You know what that sound means? It means people are having their babies and taking them to church!

(1) A Midwest-based evangelist/comedian whose performances consisted of ripping off the cleaner bits of George Carlin’s and Bill Cosby’s routines before abruptly Mood Whiplashing into Satanic Panic horror stories—-sacrificial dead babies galore were involved—-and passing the collection plate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Warnke

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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2024-07-21 09:16 am (UTC)(link)

If my father knows about Mike Warnke he probably does enjoy his stuff, yeah. shudder

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[personal profile] castiron 2024-07-21 02:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, because babies are noted for crying because the sermon's boring rather than because they're hungry or need a diaper. *sigh*

It really sucks that you had to grow up with parents who did that.
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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2024-07-21 05:54 pm (UTC)(link)

Thanks. wry smile

I hope Rita's okay.

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[personal profile] topaz_eyes 2024-07-21 12:39 am (UTC)(link)
Unless those tutors for the Golden Children were for taking specific entrance tests, eg MCAT or LSAT; or tutors in non-academic subjects/special interests. Which--is downright obscene, really, when their youngest child was struggling.
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[personal profile] neotoma 2024-07-21 01:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, if the tutors were music teachers for after-school hours or LSAT prep courses, that makes more sense as a reward.

LW is still an utter dick for not getting their struggling child an academic tutor, though.
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[personal profile] ysobel 2024-07-21 09:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Since the husband's argument is "will use any special accommodation to avoid schoolwork", it sounds like they explicitly refused her regular tutors
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[personal profile] green_grrl 2024-07-21 03:19 am (UTC)(link)
Right? The way these parents sound (rich and focused on education), I’m surprised they didn’t go the route of, “You are just flittering around. You WILL sit down after school EVERY DAY with Tutor and do your damned work!”
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[personal profile] melannen 2024-07-22 09:23 pm (UTC)(link)
These sound like the absolute examplar of the kind of abusive rich parents people use as examples of why parental income shouldn't affect college financial aid. She wasn't exactly the child they imagined in advance that they would get, so she doesn't get to use any of the family's resources.
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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2024-07-20 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I am glad of the response at least, even though I know LW is 99% likely to throw it into the metaphorical fireplace.

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[personal profile] julian 2024-07-21 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
"My therapist, who saw her too, said girls couldn’t get ADHD."

Ptptptphptptptpht. (Yes, this was the 80s. It's still infuriating.)
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[personal profile] inkstone 2024-07-21 01:02 am (UTC)(link)
Jesus Christ
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[personal profile] dissectionist 2024-07-21 02:42 am (UTC)(link)
Throw them into the sun, Rita. Every fucking one of them.
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[personal profile] firecat 2024-07-21 04:54 am (UTC)(link)
I’m furious at the parents, but I’m side-eyeing the siblings too.
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[personal profile] cimorene 2024-07-21 04:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Same. If they haven't made peace with her, that means they were fucked up by this too. I mean, they started off as victims of it as well, but they've been responsible for their own relationships with their sister for like twenty years at this point and it sounds like they were complete failures at it.
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[personal profile] lethe1 2024-07-21 07:15 am (UTC)(link)
I can't even.
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[personal profile] lethe1 2024-07-21 10:39 am (UTC)(link)
... and LW + husband were both educators? What a way to educate kids.
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[personal profile] feldman 2024-07-21 03:35 pm (UTC)(link)
LW did not raise children, they graded them on a curve and failed the bottom third. And like some teachers, feel that school bullies are like some divine hand of the marketplace helping slap the clay into the proper mold).

I was dx at 50, two years ago, and it's been a lot to unravel the impact on the past (best case scenario for me would have been college-age dx). But also the implications for new possibilities right now, including in my role as a parent, with deeper understanding of the examples I learned from as a child. Even and especially the orchard this apple fell into.

LW doesn't see adhd as legit enough to warrant relaxing some of their standards, even in retrospect for one child out of three, even in theory. Defending the family grading policy is key or the inherent laziness wins! Why won't she let us scout for talent and apply targeted rewards and punishment by neglect see our grandkids!
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[personal profile] full_metal_ox 2024-07-21 11:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I was dx at 50, two years ago, and it's been a lot to unravel the impact on the past (best case scenario for me would have been college-age dx).

Which might have made you too old to schlep off to ABA—-which was already an option then, having been created in the 1960’s (and every account I’ve heard of it makes me fervently grateful to have dodged that bullet—-or, rather, that it never occurred to anyone to point that particular gun in my direction.

I hope my parents wouldn’t have gone that route…)
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[personal profile] movingfinger 2024-07-21 05:24 pm (UTC)(link)
These people are monsters and should be kept far, far away from children.