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minoanmiss ([personal profile] minoanmiss) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2022-10-10 12:51 pm

Dear Care & Feeding: The Effect of my Daughter's ADHD on My Granddaughter



My oldest daughter, Anne (30), has always marched to the beat of her own drum. At her best, she’s incredibly artistic and very intelligent. She graduated from a prestigious university with excellent grades while being a member of the school marching band; not an easy feat, and I have always been very proud.

Within the last couple of years, she has been diagnosed with ADHD. This has become the focus of her world and features in almost every conversation she has. It is her excuse for absolutely everything she forgets or doesn’t want to do. If it was just her, I could easily let this go. However, Anne has a 7-year-old daughter, Katie, who is the light of my life but struggles with her parents’ inconsistencies and disorganization. Katie’s dad does not have ADHD but is socially awkward in his own way. Anne and her husband each “take Katie for a day” every weekend so the other one doesn’t have to “deal with her.” Katie stays with my wife and I regularly. Ninety percent of the times Katie comes over, she is unwashed and her hair is unbrushed. She usually has on a dirty mismatched outfit. This could be explained away as being a 7-year-old, but Katie likes to look nice, wear dresses and have her hair done. She tells us her parents don’t believe in special occasions or special outfits.

We try to support Anne and constantly ask what she or Katie needs. Recently, she stated Katie needed fall clothing. We bought at least 10 new outfits, cut off the tags, washed and folded the laundry and took it to her house. Anne’s response was “oh”—not thank you—and she has yet to go through the bag of clothes to put any of it away. This is rude and not how she was raised, but we dropped it. This past weekend, Katie stayed with us and was so excited to go to her first ever friend birthday party the next day. She wore a dress in the birthday girl’s favorite color and asked us to style her hair so that she looked “as nice as possible.” She looked adorable and was so excited! When her parents pulled up, she was standing so tall at the door, but Anne and her husband came in and said nothing. Not “you look great” or “how was your sleepover” or “look at this new outfit!” Katie’s shoulders fell, and it honestly broke my heart.

This is not the first or even the twentieth example of how they are failing this child—from not packing water shoes for a beach trip and then yelling at Katie when she got her tennis shoes wet, to forgetting to sign her up for after-school care (so that now everyone else is scrambling to step in). I called Anne to discuss the birthday party incident and her responses ranged from “we are introverts and wait to have our reactions later” to “you don’t understand how my brain works.” I am at my wits’ end. This child is being emotionally neglected and not cared for in the way she deserves to be. Please help.


Being neurodivergent can be hard, because despite growing awareness and acceptance about things like ADHD, the person with the condition is—nine times out of 10—the one who has to adapt to the world, rather than the other way around. It can often feel inequitable and burdensome.

But, ADHD isn’t an unlimited hall pass. You don’t get to blow off the feelings of others. You learn, adapt, and find coping techniques that enable you to work around or harness your ADHD symptoms so that you can successfully navigate society. We can talk long and hard about the ethics and balance of asking neurodivergent folks to fit into mainstream social norms versus changing those norms to allow more variability, but that’s beyond the scope of this letter. It’s also not relevant in this case, because Katie is not “society.”

I said in an above letter that a parent’s job is to make sure that their kids are happy, healthy, safe and kind. As you point out, Anne and her husband do not seem to be meeting Katie’s psychological basic needs. ADHD and awkwardness isn’t an excuse—they have to find ways to “trick” or “train” their brains into giving Katie what she needs. We adults do these brain hacks in numerous ways—we leave ourselves notes so we don’t need to remember upcoming tasks on our own. We put our keys in the fridge to remember to take the leftovers home from Thanksgiving dinner. It is Anne and her husband’s job to observe what Katie needs (or hear you when you observe it) and problem-solve how they can meet those needs. And they do not need to be perfect at it; Katie is old enough to be involved in the problem solving, and to forgive them when they may fall short.

My guess is that some of Anne’s reactions may come from feeling like she is being judged for her inability to do everything perfectly (at least, that’s how a lot of my friends and family often feel as a result of their ADHD). As upset as you are, I want you to consider that some of the reaction you’re getting from her might be defensiveness or frustration on her part. Tread lightly and keep the focus on Katie’s feelings, not on Anne’s shortcomings. For inspiration, I have found the books by Dr. Edward Hallowell to do a great job discussing ADHD from a family perspective. Some of his work might be of use as you, Anne, and the family navigate this. Good luck, I hope they’re open to your feedback.

[personal profile] hashiveinu 2022-10-10 05:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, this seems like an Everyone Sucks Here (except for the kid) situation.
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[personal profile] melannen 2022-10-10 05:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, if LW is portraying Katie's situation at all accurately, the parents need to step up, ADHD or not. On the other hand, LW is clearly kind of an asshole, so I don't know how accurate the portrayal of Katie's situation is, and most of the things mentioned in the letter could definitely be perfectly adequate parenting with LW pushing her feelings onto Katie.
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[personal profile] jadelennox 2022-10-10 08:05 pm (UTC)(link)

yeah, a lot of this could be bad parenting (or parents who need better coping assistance), but a lot of this could be BS. Like, I read

Recently, she stated Katie needed fall clothing. We bought at least 10 new outfits, cut off the tags, washed and folded the laundry and took it to her house. Anne’s response was “oh”—not thank you—and she has yet to go through the bag of clothes to put any of it away.

And I absolutely admit I am projecting some of my own mother issues here, but is this the result of, "mum, could you pick up some fall clothes for Katie?" Or is this the result of "Oof, Mr. Anne, we'd better get Katie some new fall clothes, she's outgrowing these trousers. Anyway, Mum and Dad, thanks for dropping her off, see you Monday!" It's vaguely enough phrased that it could be either. (Also, not for nothing, but cutting off the tags means Anne can't return anything.)

Similarly:

She wore a dress in the birthday girl’s favorite color and asked us to style her hair so that she looked “as nice as possible.” She looked adorable and was so excited! When her parents pulled up, she was standing so tall at the door, but Anne and her husband came in and said nothing. Not “you look great” or “how was your sleepover” or “look at this new outfit!” Katie’s shoulders fell, and it honestly broke my heart.

Look, this could totally be absent-minded, inadequate parenting from adults who don't notice what their kid wants. But this could also be grandparents who are super excited to dress up their adorable little granddaughter, a granddaughter who asks her grandparents to style her hair because dressing up is the fun thing she does with grandma and grandpa, and parents who don't mention it because it's not particularly relevant to what they were thinking about at that moment, who don't believe in praising girls for their looks, or because it's not something Katie cares about at home. Did her shoulders actually fall? Who the hell knows? And if so, is it because her parents didn't mention her fishtail braid, or because they forgot to bring her favorite book with them, or because grandma was making lasagna for dinner? I wouldn't trust LW to have any idea because LW is obsessed with looks.

Basically I think there's not enough info here to know who to trust; LW isn't a reliable narrator to me.

Edited (gender, typo) 2022-10-10 20:06 (UTC)
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[personal profile] petrea_mitchell 2022-10-10 08:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, it does also say:
She tells us her parents don’t believe in special occasions or special outfits.
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[personal profile] frenzy 2022-10-11 01:51 am (UTC)(link)
I kind of feel like a 7 year old isnt very reliable here. The grandparents could absolutely phrase questions in such a way to get the results they want. Not the kids fault, obvs, but its just how kids that age are. Its how the police got all those satanic panic "confessions" from children.
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[personal profile] melannen 2022-10-10 08:51 pm (UTC)(link)
No, I don't have any particular mom issues around that and I read it the exact same way. It's neat how LW strongly implies Mom asked for help without ever actually saying that she asked for help!

And yeah, most of what's in this letter summarizes to "The grandparents are extremely invested in their granddaughter being dressed up like a perfect little doll at all times, and the parents couldn't care less". LW of course frames it such that the granddaughter is on their side, but I don't trust LW to have the theory of mind to know the difference. If the granddaughter really is super into dressing up nice and the parents are completely invalidating that, that's not great, but I'm not willing to take bets on whether granddaughter actually cares as much as LW thinks.
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[personal profile] lokifan 2022-10-11 07:24 am (UTC)(link)
Yep, all of this!!

Katie usually being unwashed is concerning, if it's true, but otherwise it's hard to tell.
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[personal profile] melannen 2022-10-10 09:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I guess to me it depends on what LW means by unwashed, unbrushed, dirty, and mismatched. If she's wearing an adult man's shirt, too-small pajama pants that smell, unmatched shoes, has rat's nests in her hair and stinks, that's a huge problem. If she's wearing a t-shirt and pants and sneakers that aren't color-coordinated and was slightly dusty with an off-center ponytail because she'd just been to the park, not so much. Since LW says it's something that could be written off as her being 7, I lean more toward that end of the scale, though.
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[personal profile] jadelennox 2022-10-10 10:48 pm (UTC)(link)

I see a lot of possible middle ground here. If LW thinks little girls should all be dressed up in cute matching frocks all the time, but Katie wears jeans with muddy knees because why wash jeans every day, or has a marinara stain on her favorite t-shirt because who doesn't, then LW might read that as "dirty mismatched outfits". It's really, really hard to tell from the evidence they've given us. Hair, too; is unbrushed hair "it's in the ponytail it's been in since this morning and it's started to come loose and I expect her to have a hair ribbon", or is it "full of tangles, looks like a rats nest."

(I admit I am also biased because who talks about a seven year old's mismatched outfits? I mean, shoes should be from the same pair, but if a seven year old wants to wear a yellow striped jumper and purple plaid skirt over jeans, that's a thing a grandparent laughs/groans about, not worries about. But if they say "yeah, grandpa, I wanted to wear this skirt with tights but momma couldn't find them and told me to wear jeans" that's what I'd worry about. And I can't tell which this is)

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[personal profile] conuly 2022-10-11 04:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Given that LW feels that "mismatched" is on the same level as "dirty", I'm inclined to think that Katie is not nearly as "unwashed" as LW wants us to believed.