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conuly ([personal profile] conuly) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2022-09-28 11:25 pm

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Dear Carolyn: My daughter just started middle school and discovered on the bus ride that her best friend of five years (“Mary”) was ignoring her and sitting with another girl from the neighborhood (“Suzie”). Apparently they became close friends over the summer and are now excluding my daughter.

When Suzie moved to the neighborhood two years ago, my daughter and I went out of our way to be inclusive and make sure she was invited to sleepovers and parties. Now I find that Suzie’s mom has been setting up outings just for Mary and Suzie and not my daughter.

Most of my daughter’s friends from elementary school went to another school, so she just knows the kids from the neighborhood, many of whom are not friendly to her.

I’m afraid this is going to be a rough year for her. Is it wrong for me to take it up with the parents? I feel angry. Angry at the parents and even the kids. I’m especially angry at Suzie’s mom for setting up play dates without my daughter. It feels calculated and cold. Mary’s mom is one of my best friends and is now mad at me for asking her to talk to her daughter about being inclusive.

— Middle School Mom


Middle School Mom: As a new mom, I got this advice: You can’t make a baby eat, sleep or poop.

This wasn’t exactly news, but it was clarifying. Great for setting expectations. And it prepared me for the next stage of child development, which arrived a millisecond after the kids could be social: You can’t make a child like someone else.

I feel for you, hard, in that gut-punchy, alone-in-the-cafeteria kind of way. It’s awful.

But it’s not something you can fix. Not with back-channel planning, not with anger, not by shaming the other moms. If Suzie wanted only Mary over, then what was her mom supposed to say? “No, you have to invite _____ too?” That is overstepping into Suzie’s emotional business. Suzie all along has been a complete, fully realized person who can decide for herself who she likes — and middle school, as it happens, is roughly when that agency has its full (often raw) expression. Suzie and Mary are the ones “setting up outings” at this point; the moms are just logistics.

On top of that, would you want to be the kid who the parents said had to be invited? I sure wouldn’t. Yikes. Your daughter deserves to be wanted and deserves her own people, whom this abrupt transition will now force her to find. There’s struggle in that, of course, but also dignity — which you imperil by pursuing any kind of remedy on your daughter’s behalf.

I hope this is what your good friend tried to tell you.

Last thing: One middle-schooler in your family is more than enough. While I recognize how painful it is for you, personally, to witness your daughter’s exclusion, it is not your job to live it as if it’s happening to you. She gets tossed around by choppy waters. You remain calm and steady (and roil all you want on the inside).

You can have both sympathy and perspective: Friendships end sometimes. We have to start over sometimes, sometimes for no reason besides change. She needs to learn to navigate this.

Keep Mary and Suzie in perspective, too. I doubt you’ll write your daughter off as “calculated and cold” when she moves on from someone herself someday, even if she mishandles it — which she undoubtedly will, because this stuff is hard, and we learn it by trial and error and regret. And sometimes those regretful errors include ignoring someone on the school bus.

You love her always, though, and can promise her she won’t have to go through painful things alone as long as you’re around. That’s the right cause for you to take up.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/advice/2022/09/25/carolyn-hax-daughter-friends-mom/
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[personal profile] ysobel 2022-10-04 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
with the youngest child in a first grade classroom on the first day of school being anywhere from 5 years 9 months to 6 years 9 months

Random personal-experience anecdote in support of your point -- as far as I can tell, based on when I graduated college plus family lore, I started kindergarten at 4y11mo in a k-1 combination class, and was so bored with school that they bumped me mid-year to 1st grade. So I was technically 5 at the beginning of *second* grade...

(I am aware I'm an outlier, lol.)

I find the terminology variation fascinating. I didn't have "middle school", which makes me think grades 5-6 for some reason. I had different schools for k-3 and 4-6 but both were "elementary" (just upper/lower); the 4-6 school was a Gifted & Talented program. Then "junior high" 7-9 and "high school" 10-12.

Social dynamics had big upheavals at 7th and 10th grades because there were multiple elementary schools, two JHs, and one main HS, and the geographical boundaries were different each time. Social groups from elementary got split between the two JHs, plus new people, and then when HS came you were lumped back in with people you hadn't seen in 3 years.

Plus it was fine for 5th and 6th graders to be friends but harder to maintain that the next year, where the 5th-now-6th grader and 6th-now-7th grader were at ... not just different schools but different school *levels*.

Also my personal terminology wrt getting together is that "play dates" are organized / initiated by the parents, usually of babies or young kids. By middle school the kid is generally able to, y'know, have preferences of their own...