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conuly ([personal profile] conuly) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2022-07-18 11:53 am

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Dear Pay Dirt,

My daughter “Isabella” is married to a successful young lawyer and is eight months pregnant with their first child. My first wife and I wanted more children, but it never happened. She lost her battle with cancer when Isabella was 16. I didn’t feel like dating again for almost five years. Over the next few years I saw several women, none very seriously. Then, at Isabella’s wedding in 2019, I connected with one of her bridesmaids, “Madison,” a lovely young woman I’d last seen as a gawky teenager. Isabella was shocked when she found out Madison and I were dating, but didn’t expect it to last long. But I just proposed to Madison, and she accepted. I took Isabella out to lunch to tell her. For a minute she almost had a meltdown, but got herself together and said she hopes we are happy together.

Later that night I got an email stating she’s worried about her inheritance if Madison and I have children. Specifically, she’s afraid my house—a beautiful and unique 1884 Victorian which Isabella grew up in from birth, and is deeply attached to—will go to Madison upon my death, and then to my children with Madison, instead of to her and her children. She feels this would be especially unfair because her mother and I were gifted the house by my in-laws.

So, while she says this is hard for her, she’s decided to disallow me any relationship with her unborn son and any future children of hers unless I either transfer the house to her and myself as joint tenants, so she will automatically inherit my share, or to an irrevocable trust with her and her children as beneficiaries. This would prevent me from making a will, then changing it once she’s seen it. She says it’s fine if I give Madison a life estate so she could continue to inhabit the property, along with Isabella’s family, unless she remarries.

Isabella doesn’t even know that Madison wants children. But she does, and I think I’m up for it. I’m in my early 50s, in excellent shape, and my parents and grandparents all lived to at least 80. But from the moment I learned Isabella was pregnant, I’ve also had my heart set on being a grandpa. Should I do as she suggests? Would joint tenancy or a trust be preferable? My biggest concern is that the value of the house (currently over $2 million) may exceed the whole rest of my estate, especially after raising and educating several more children. And Madison has come to love this house as well. In fact, she claims she fell in love with it the first time she came over, in middle school. What would be fair for everyone?

—Vied For Victorian


Dear Vied For Victorian,

I understand your daughter’s discomfort with the situation—you can imagine how you’d feel if your widowed mother married one of your high school friends—but it’s unreasonable for her to try to extort you with the threat of withholding access to your grandchild if you don’t give her the house. And I wonder if Isabella would have the same expectations if you had married someone your own age and, as such, were not going to have children in the future.

Since you don’t have any children with Madison at the moment, but plan to, I would hesitate to do anything that you can’t modify later if circumstances change, or your future children need things you didn’t anticipate, especially while they’re still minors. You need something flexible.

Isabella needs to accept that Madison is going to be your wife, and that you have obligations to her that are permanent. She is not an interloper, and for inheritance purposes, should be treated the same way you’d treat anyone you married and planned to grow old with.

But understand also that it must be exceedingly difficult for Isabella to have to readjust her relationship with Madison. If she was a bridesmaid, I assume they were close, and it probably feels to her like Madison has betrayed her and maybe you have, too. Isabella may feel like she’s being displaced in your life by someone who was a close friend.

Madison, likewise, needs to understand why Isabella is so attached to the house and try to put herself in Isabella’s shoes. She may have known your family for a long time, but she did not grow up in the house, and cannot possibly have the same attachment to it.

I think your best option here is to meet with an estate lawyer and look at options that might satisfy both parties, with the idea that you want to be equitable. Sometimes a third-party recommendation can mitigate the emotional drama around issues like these, and give you a way to reasonably and truthfully say you’re trying to do what is fairly standard in these situations. Be clear with both of them that you are not going to play favorites, and threats will not change that.

https://slate.com/business/2022/07/daughter-inheritance-house-finance-advice.html
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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2022-07-18 04:08 pm (UTC)(link)
OMG I saw that one and just thought "I am glad I am not Isabella" and noped on out of there.
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[personal profile] cimorene 2022-07-18 04:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I feel like I just read the setup to a horror movie.
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[personal profile] cimorene 2022-07-18 04:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, but also, if this house came to Isabella's parents from her mother's side, I think it's actually reasonable for Isabella to have a lifelong expectation of receiving the house. You know, assuming any of them could afford to keep it (probably, bc everything about this letter suggests rich asshole class). That doesn't mean it's necessarily a good way to manage inheritance if he was going to have a younger wife and other children, like... monetarily, and it doesn't change the fact that I'm inclined to read the guy as beyond the pale for dating Madison in the first place, but still. I'm an old house hobbyist, and it's hard to look beyond my empathy for Isabella's attachment to it.
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[personal profile] shanaqui 2022-07-18 04:53 pm (UTC)(link)

It kinda sounds like Isabella probably should inherit the house, over Madison; it came from her mother's family, and she's probably always expected it.

It feels like there's half a story here, though. I'd like Isabella's side. It seems like she doesn't trust her father to treat her equally with any new children he might have; why not?

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[personal profile] watersword 2022-07-18 05:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I know the ill-advised bridal party hookup is a time-honored tradition, but this feels like a mirrorverse AI rendition of the trope. Further, deponent sayeth not.
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[personal profile] oursin 2022-07-18 05:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I can't help making up the gothicky story in which Madison is marrying OP specifically to get her mitts on the house, because there's something there she knows about and wants and they don't...

Or maybe it's something Isabella told Madison about when they were giggly besties together... and that's why she's so particularly worried.
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[personal profile] melannen 2022-07-18 05:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe "fell in love with the house in middle school" actually means "has been possessed by one of the house's guardian spirits since she was 12"....
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[personal profile] melannen 2022-07-18 05:46 pm (UTC)(link)
What fandom is it? :D
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[personal profile] melannen 2022-07-18 05:48 pm (UTC)(link)
A gothic is defined as "a romance about a girl and a house", right?
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[personal profile] movingfinger 2022-07-18 05:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I have raised eyebrows at Madison here. Hooking up with the bride's, your old school friend's, father at the wedding is a bold move and the fact that there's a well-appreciated chunk of real estate on the table makes it even more interesting to me.

--Depending on where they live, Madison may marry Dad and get the house or force its sale in the subsequent divorce.

--I don't love the suggestion of a life use arrangement for this. Isabella and Madison are agemates. This effectively disinherits Isabella and allows Madison to trash the house or whatever she likes.

--If the house was a gift from the deceased mother's side of the family, were there terms attached? It seems to me that people who give houses to a couple may do so under a trust arrangement if what they want is stability for the children of the marriage. He doesn't mention a trust, or the late wife's will, or anything.

--I would propose that Dad gift the house on to Isabella now and move out. If Madison still sticks around, great! If not, welp.

--He doesn't need grandchildren if he's planning on having a second family with Madison.
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[personal profile] ashbet 2022-07-18 05:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, while — under NORMAL circumstances — I’m in favor of equitable inheritances, this is the house that her dead mother’s parents gave to her parents, that she grew up in as an only child, that she had every expectation of inheriting…

…until HER FATHER MADE A MOVE ON ONE OF HER CLOSEST FRIENDS (or vice versa) AT HER ACTUAL WEDDING, and that’s a pretty messed-up violation of the social contract.

Since she’s willing to give Madison life tenancy (i.e., she wouldn’t be forced to move out if Dad dies), I think that stipulating that the house goes to Isabella and her child/ren is reasonable.

Isabella has a reason to feel betrayed and displaced here.

Her father, at least, should have known better than to date/marry one of his daughter’s closest friends who was a middle-school-aged child when he met her. Ugh.
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[personal profile] ashbet 2022-07-18 05:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Crimson Peak!!!
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[personal profile] melannen 2022-07-18 06:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think Elephant and Piggie has enough characters, and I don't know Riverdale (but tbh I would not be the slightest bit surprised if it had happened in the original pre-reboot comics at least once, either.)

In Star Trek if it's not the canon bit with Crusher it's presumably Ensign Mary Sue getting her brain overwritten by the Enterprise's computer? Or... hmm, there are very few canon father&daughter ships in Star Trek, actually, that's kind of sad, the only one I can think of that might work is if Sarek remarries one of Michael's classmates because she's got somebody's katra, but honestly that's probably the least weird thing that has ever happened to Michael and the least weird reason Sarek's had for getting married and nobody would blink twice.

My first thought was actually Gideon the Ninth but that would be Harrow marrying John and while that is EXACTLY the right level of horror for GtN canon and the relationships all line up, dibs not writing it.
Edited 2022-07-18 18:02 (UTC)
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[personal profile] melannen 2022-07-18 06:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Sadly I know nothing about Crimson Peak.
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[personal profile] drglam 2022-07-18 06:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd bet money that the deceased mother had explicitly mentioned an expectation that her daughter would eventually get the house that her parents gave her, and remarrying dad is conveniently 'forgetting' it.

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