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conuly ([personal profile] conuly) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2021-01-20 02:41 am

LW is a homophobe, and will die alone

DEAR ABBY: My college-aged granddaughter is no longer speaking to me, answering my phone calls or allowing her other grandmother (who raised her) to post anything on Facebook where I can see what she is doing.

My granddaughter came to live with me last summer because she worked a summer job here. I asked her if she was gay, not because I think she is but as a prelude to a conversation about not allowing other girls to recruit her into a same-sex relationship as I saw in college and while teaching public school. Although I tried to explain, things have grown progressively worse.

My son and her mother married when she was 7 and divorced when she was 13. Over the years, I worked hard to develop and maintain a relationship with her. Now, she has told the other grandmother that she will never speak to me again. Was what I did so bad, and what should I do now? -- OTHER GRANDMOTHER IN NORTH CAROLINA


DEAR OTHER: What you said wasn't "bad," but it was misinformed and heavy-handed. While same-sex relationships do happen in high school and college, young people don't usually indulge unless they are already at least bi-curious. Even then, straight people don't suddenly "turn gay."

Your granddaughter may still be trying to figure out her sexual orientation, which could be why she has reacted so strongly. If you are wise, you will allow her the time she needs to sort it out, rather than push or panic.

https://www.uexpress.com/dearabby/2021/1/20/1/question-about-sexual-orientation-leads-to
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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2021-01-20 07:49 am (UTC)(link)
What you said wasn't "bad,"

Oh yes it fucking was. What is this malarkey?

LW, you should go sit with my dad. When I was 17 he told me a laundry list of people to avoid when I got to college, including 'promiscuous lesbians'. I sat there staring at him with a straight face while WTF bounced around between my ears. I don't talk to him these days either, so he and LW can commiserate. (Or, hopefully, possibly, LW can learn.)
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[personal profile] jadelennox 2021-01-20 06:06 pm (UTC)(link)
It wasn't bad. It was horrid.
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[personal profile] lilysea 2021-01-20 08:46 am (UTC)(link)
LW, homophobia is one of the leading causes of suicide in LGBT teenagers.

I want you to imagine that your granddaughter was some flavour of LGBT, and that after your talk, she committed suicide.

How would you feel about what you had told her?

Now, do you want to apologise?
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[personal profile] ysobel 2021-01-22 01:31 am (UTC)(link)
How would you feel about what you had told her?

Given homophobia, probably a little sad and a lot relieved that she died before she could be tainted. And figuring the suicide was another symptom of the gay brainwashing.

(Why yes, I may be a bit cynical...)
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[personal profile] oursin 2021-01-20 09:52 am (UTC)(link)
Even if granddaughter is not gay/bi/or anywhere on the overall queer spectrum, she very likely has friends who are and finds this framing in terms of 50s pulp novels about 'lesbian recruiting cults' thoroughly repulsive.

It is also rather odd to ask someone if they are gay, and then warn them about sapphic recruiters? The latter, in the early C20th literature, were supposed to prey on the shy and scared of men, rather than the actually gay themselves.

Grandmother seems thoroughly muddled and confused, though I suppose that goes with toxic homophobia.
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[personal profile] likeaduck 2021-01-20 02:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I wish this LW had written to...honestly almost anyone else.
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[personal profile] green_grrl 2021-01-20 03:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Right? Other than pointing out that straight people don’t “turn,” this advice was ridiculous.
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[personal profile] likeaduck 2021-01-20 08:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Even that part is...I mean, "indulge" does not have the gleeful tone I would give it here, if someone does "turn gay" that's fine, and treating this like a real concern is kind of accepting a homophobic premise to begin with.
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[personal profile] lilysea 2021-01-20 04:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I wish this LW had written to...honestly almost anyone else.

While several of Danny M. Lavery's very recent columns about NON-LGBT issues have seemed out of touch and unhelpful,

he is always solid on LGBT issues, and I think he would have slam dunked this letter...

The Gentle Butch would also have done a fine job https://gentlebutch.com/
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[personal profile] xenacryst 2021-01-20 05:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Gentle Butch would have burned this LW so thoroughly that I'd be worried about more wildfires out here in California. But it would have been beautiful to see.
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[personal profile] mommy 2021-01-20 10:14 pm (UTC)(link)
This.
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[personal profile] green_grrl 2021-01-20 02:58 pm (UTC)(link)
If you are wise, you will allow her the time she needs to sort it out, rather than push or panic.

Ahahaha! Yeah, no. Unless you overtly say, “I’m sorry. It makes no difference if you’re straight, gay, or bi,” you are never hearing from her again.
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[personal profile] likeaduck 2021-01-20 03:14 pm (UTC)(link)
My actual advice: get thee to a PFLAG. They have webinars now. Go learn something from someone who's not being injured by the things you're saying. It probably won't help with your relationship with your granddaughter--if the relationship were otherwise good and healthy, she would have said, "Gran, that's homophobic," and you would have listened and learned something, and nobody would have stalked anyone on a third party's Facebook page--but hey, any time a homophobe learns to be less homophobic without a queer person having to teach them, an angel gets its wings, or something.
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[personal profile] neotoma 2021-01-20 06:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I don't believe her about the "not because I think she is" -- that is SO out of left field that I think the LW is lying. Or at least concealing important information.

That said, if she had an otherwise good relationship with her granddaughter, this would have been where her granddaughter pushed back. That her granddaughter cut ties says this was the last straw that the LW is not a safe person to confide in or even keep in contact with.

I doubt that the LW will be able to reconcile with her granddaughter until the granddaughter decides to risk contact, and pushing will just convince her the risk is to great. Even then, the LW will have to change, because if she's still not a safe person, then the granddaughter will keep her at arm's length *at best*.
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[personal profile] cereta 2021-01-21 12:36 am (UTC)(link)
"Lesbian Recruiting Cult" is my daughter's new band name.
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[personal profile] feldman 2021-01-21 01:17 am (UTC)(link)
*holds up lighter*
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[personal profile] kshandra 2021-01-21 04:49 am (UTC)(link)
*buys all their albums and starts the fuckyeahlesbianrecruitingcult Tumblr*
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[personal profile] likeaduck 2021-01-21 05:26 am (UTC)(link)
Let us know the second they have merch.
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[personal profile] ekaterinn 2021-01-22 12:33 am (UTC)(link)
*signs up for their Bandcamp*