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conuly ([personal profile] conuly) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2020-12-09 12:59 am

Carolyn Hax: All I want for Christmas is for you to do what I want for Christmas

Dear Carolyn: My husband and I have only one child, who just got married this year. We have always spent Christmas Eve together, just she and her now-husband, and Christmas Day with our extended family.

This year they want to still spend Christmas Eve with us but not Christmas Day. It's not to be with his family, as I said we would host everyone from his small family, though not mine, as it is too large to host during a pandemic. They have decided they want to spend Christmas Day alone.

I have never been so hurt. My husband and I will be alone on Christmas Day. We told them let's skip Christmas Eve and get together on Christmas Day, but they said no.

We would never leave them alone. I find this to be a very selfish act, as we are getting up in years. I feel Valentine's Day is for couples but Christmas is for families. I can't begin to tell you how sad and hurt I am. Am I wrong?

— Heartbroken


Heartbroken: You feel what you feel, and you value what you value, so it’s not “wrong” to feel sad. The Christmas tradition you love just got wiped out — this year, at least — by an unfortunate concurrence of a virus and the debut of your daughter’s new family unit. I am sorry you’re left with Plan B.

Where you go awry is in blaming your daughter for those feelings, tarring her emotional launch as a “very selfish act.”

For one thing, she is a newlywed. Have mercy.

For another, you are both free-standing, emotionally continent adults. She’s doing this for herself, not to you. Adopt this as a mantra, if needed, because “You’re selfish for not giving me what I want!” is a stance you’ll probably regret. You’ve voiced your objections, so please now manage your disappointment — again, your absolutely understandable disappointment — “in house” from now on.

For another thing, you have Christmas Eve. And even if you didn’t, I’d be reminding you how lucky you’ve been to enjoy her company previously. (Her husband’s family? No such recent luck.) That’s because, once you’ve looked your sadness in the eye, felt it, accepted it — the next step is to put it in perspective. The secret to goodwill and good moods under changing conditions is to gather up whatever blessings remain, and get creative with them. You have time.

For another thing, your daughter is part of a continuum — the benefits of which you have clearly long enjoyed, once you and husband and child became your own primary family unit apart from his and your parents’, the center of your own holidays. Your daughter is now planting herself on this timeline. Maybe her timing isn’t ideal, but, she’s paid a heavy price already in 2020 currency, hasn’t she? Starting her marriage amid disaster? She’s entitled to this emotional milestone. Please do not dent her joy just because it’s tougher for you.

If needed, imagine your parents had tried to tell your newlywed self how to live. Presumably you’d have resented that.

Or maybe you needn’t imagine. If they actually did interfere, then let that memory talk you out of doing the same to your daughter. And if you came to be grateful for their meddling (all variables get a hearing today!), then grant your daughter the same opportunity to grow into her beliefs on her schedule.

For another thing: Do you realize you’re upset about having to accept the exact experience they’re choosing? Proof there’s no punishable-by-outrage, uniform code of holiday conduct. Or much else.

For another, then I’ll stop, promise: Christmas is one day but your emotional tie your daughter is 365 and eternal, so I urge you not to strain the latter in shortsighted thrall of the former.

Though if I can think of another good reason to resist intergenerational bomb-throwing over a relatively minor slight at a time when we really, really need to keep our connections to each other warm and intact, then I will add that, too.

I don’t intend this as a piling-on of every reason you’re wrong wrong wronnnnnnnng. I spelled it all out because, again, we need each other right now and need to keep our heads; because we’re collectively kind of losing them; because holiday hard feelings are a preventable perennial; and because strong emotions tend to block new thinking. I’m hoping it helps, as you plan your next move, to send the heavy plow of logic through first.

Logic, and time. I witnessed my own parents wind up similarly and unexpectedly alone for a major holiday, despite four adult kids within driving range. Long story. My typically easygoing mom was bereft. And then I watched years of future life and past goodwill outnumber, overtake, swallow up and all but erase that day.

So un-guilt your daughter, a true Christmas gift — then start planning Plan B. Charity, music, pie? The season stands ready with its countless other gifts.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/carolyn-hax-all-i-want-for-christmas-is-for-you-to-do-what-i-want-for-christmas/2020/12/02/92617be8-30f8-11eb-bae0-50bb17126614_story.html
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[personal profile] cimorene 2020-12-09 01:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Right? I laughed at that part actually. They're not even married yet and yet they've "always" come to your house. Because your child has always been an adult cohabiting with an adult and never lived at home.

I also saw those warning signs too, and on their strength, I doubt the attempts to get LW to look at the kids' POV will be successful. They're not really things you could write while still in shouting distance of understanding that other people have their own lives and motivations that aren't all about you and your feelings.
Edited (Autocorrect 😬) 2020-12-09 13:22 (UTC)
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[personal profile] xenacryst 2020-12-09 06:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, there's controlling going on. I would wager that all those Normal Rockwell Christmases they spent together were seen a little differently by all present. And I would also wager that Christmas isn't the only time this comes out.
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[personal profile] xenacryst 2020-12-09 06:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Bwahahahahaha! That was completely unintentional. But it's ever so perfect.
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[personal profile] torachan 2020-12-09 08:45 am (UTC)(link)
Oh my god, people like this. She's already spending Christmas Eve with her daughter! It's not like they won't be seeing them at all.
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[personal profile] naath 2020-12-09 12:51 pm (UTC)(link)
oh Gods. My parents pulled this shit on me, and you know how many Christmasses child-me spent with my (living) grandparents? zero. Children grow up and get there own lives, and THERE IS A PANDEMIC.
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[personal profile] cereta 2020-12-09 03:02 pm (UTC)(link)
My daughter's been lobbying for years for us to spend Christmas at home. She wants to come down from her own bedroom and open presents under her own tree. It's a perfectly normal desire. The last two years we've done so, once for surgery recovery and this year for Covid. I expect we'll continue doing so (in part because I have finally decided to go LC to NC with my siblings) and visit my mom separately another time. But there's pretty much always a time when a nuclear family, no matter how small, starts spending some or all of the holiday at home.
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[personal profile] frenzy 2020-12-09 03:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I hope this response can help pull LW out of their entitlement. They risk losing their daughter all together with this stupid hill to die on.
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[personal profile] sporky_rat 2020-12-09 03:58 pm (UTC)(link)

That is an unbelievably good answer.

My mother was sad that we weren't doing Christmas with her until I reminded her I was making a family and she could get Boxing Day or nothing, act like the adult you claim to be. Brent's parents get Christmas Eve with pizza (they live a fair bit closer, twenty minutes versus three hours) and Christmas is At Home with Brent and Cats. Sometimes the brother in law shows up because he wants to eat what we've cooked.

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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2020-12-09 08:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Just thing, LW, how lucky you are: your child has chosen to stay close enough to celebrate holidays with you, even after getting married.

(Please imagine these words being said in the forbidding, icy tones of a veiled threat.)
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[personal profile] tielan 2020-12-09 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I find this one an interesting contrast with the LW whose single mom is trying to guilt her into coming home for Christmas.

Much the same situation (parents want to spend the holiday together, children wish for some distance, and the parental insistence on spending the holiday together is threatening the relationship) but from each side of the fence.
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[personal profile] shirou 2020-12-10 01:06 am (UTC)(link)
Carolyn Hax again proves herself to be the best of today's advice columnists.
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[personal profile] green_grrl 2020-12-10 06:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, this one is two thumbs up, per usual.
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[personal profile] firecat 2020-12-11 01:04 am (UTC)(link)
I love the phrase "emotionally continent".