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Lucy ([personal profile] cereta) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2013-09-22 12:24 pm
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Dear Abby: Yawning

DEAR ABBY: My wife and I disagree about when and where it is acceptable to yawn. I believe a public yawn during dinner or conversation is not appropriate. She sees no reason why a natural human trait such as yawning should be stifled.

Again, my assertion is that yawning denotes boredom or lack of interest in what people are conversing about or doing. What are your thoughts? — NOT A YAWNER IN FLAGSTAFF, ARIZ.

DEAR NOT A YAWNER: My thoughts are similar to an observation made by English writer G.K. Chesterton (1874-1936), who said, “A yawn is a silent shout.” I have never seen anyone who is intensely interested in something yawn, and to do it in the presence of others implies that the yawner is tired, bored or otherwise not fully engaged.
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[personal profile] recessional 2013-09-22 05:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Bullshit. I yawn when interested in things all the time: it denotes that I'm SLEEPY.
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[personal profile] kaberett 2013-09-22 06:31 pm (UTC)(link)
YES QUITE.
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[personal profile] deird1 2013-09-22 09:43 pm (UTC)(link)
*nods*

I was on a medication that made me sleepy, for a full year. During which I went to three family weddings, and fell asleep at each of them. Not because I didn't want to be there, but simply because I was TIRED.
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[personal profile] thedivinegoat 2013-09-22 09:50 pm (UTC)(link)
This.
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[personal profile] delphi 2013-09-22 06:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think I've ever assumed that someone is bored or uninterested in what I'm saying when they yawn. I save that assumption for when I catch them playing Candy Crush on their phones under the table.
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[personal profile] ysobel 2013-09-22 07:40 pm (UTC)(link)
+1

(Yawns are rarely deliberate. Playing games on smartphones, though, is.)
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[personal profile] delphi 2013-09-22 07:48 pm (UTC)(link)
In hindsight, I think growing up in a family of shift-workers particularly influenced my "bwuh?" reaction to this letter. Many, many people are tired when they're socializing - because they've been working or otherwise exerting themselves all day/week. I don't think I've had a conversation with my father in the last 20 years where he didn't yawn.
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[personal profile] korafox 2013-09-22 07:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Plus, yawning functions to get more oxygen to your brain...which in turn helps to pay more attention to whatever is going on. That's the physiological purpose I've always heard for it, anyways.
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[personal profile] madripoor_rose 2013-09-22 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
They keep doing studies that show 98% of the population is sleep deprived to one degree or another, and people still believe that yawning means boredom?
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[personal profile] taselby 2013-09-22 09:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Word.
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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2013-09-22 10:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Isn't that what covering one's mouth while yawning is for? Yawns ae just a physiological reaction.
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[personal profile] eleanorjane 2013-09-22 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Yet again, Abby proves she's completely lost touch with how ordinary human beings behave. What the hell.
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[personal profile] cheyinka 2013-09-23 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
Meanwhile, I am puzzled at how one could reliably keep from yawning, which I think may say something about my sleep. I mean, I can cover my mouth or look away, and I can certainly apologize, but the way I know I can't stay up any longer is when something intensely interesting can't help me keep from letting my eyes close; yawning starts a good hour or so before that!
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2013-09-23 01:12 am (UTC)(link)
FUCK OFF ABBY.
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[personal profile] vass 2013-09-23 02:24 am (UTC)(link)
have never seen anyone who is intensely interested in something yawn, and to do it in the presence of others implies that the yawner is tired, bored or otherwise not fully engaged.

If her standard for "intensely interested" is not to yawn, then I'm not surprised she's never seen an intensely interested person yawning.

And "intensely interested" is a cruelly high bar for social gatherings. Can't we settle for "polite attention"?

"Not tired" also seems too high a bar. If it's impolite to be tired, hungry, anxious, awkward, or ill in polite company, then a lot of people will have to recuse themselves altogether. Which is also impolite. We're not allowed not to be social, and we're not allowed to have the impediments which are forcing us out of society either.