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shirou ([personal profile] shirou) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2018-05-21 04:03 pm

Help! My Boyfriend Implied That I Shouldn’t Have Children Because I’ve Struggled with Addiction

From Dear Prudence


Q. Irredeemably addicted: I recently read an article about opiate addiction and a commenter said no addict should ever have children. I told my long-term boyfriend, and he said he could see where the commenter was coming from.

I’m in recovery myself and was really hurt by this. He didn’t understand why I was upset and said he was alarmed I wouldn’t think of that as a viable perspective, therefore implying that I am blind to my lifelong risk of relapse and irresponsibly inconsiderate of my potential impact on my potential children. He said he thinks “all the time” about how my addiction would impact our future family. When I said not everyone would think of me that way, he said that’s because “they haven’t had to check if you’re breathing.”

I’m worried about what he thinks of me, and I have so much shame and regret about my past. I’m now doubting if I should ever have children, even though I’ve always wanted to. I feel like he is saying I’m not fully human anymore, that I don’t have the same rights as everyone else. Am I making a big deal out of nothing?

A: No, you’re not. Disagreeing over whether to have children is a huge issue for any couple.
Add to that the fact that your boyfriend apparently considers you incapable of ever being a parent by virtue of the fact that you’re a sober addict, and you’re at a serious impasse. Not to mention the fact that he’s clearly felt this way for a while, but never mentioned it until you shared that you’d be hurt by an anonymous comment on an article about addiction. It’s one thing for him to still experience pain or resentment over the toll your behavior had on him while you were an active addict. But the proper response to that would be to see a therapist together, or find a support group for the partners of addicts, or to share some of these feelings with you directly (or all three!), not privately decide you’re not fit to ever have children.

The reason you feel dehumanized by your boyfriend’s comments is because they were dehumanizing. You don’t make choices on the assumption you’re going to relapse and spend the rest of your life in active addiction. You have not forfeited the right to decide for yourself whether you want to have children. You are not an inherently bad parent just because you’ve gotten sober. This is a real crisis point for your relationship, and you shouldn’t shy away from it. It’s better to find out now if your boyfriend is capable of staying in a relationship with you and finding ways to deal with the pain of the past that don’t involve constantly holding the future hostage.

Q. Re: Irredeemably addicted: Whoa, there! The boyfriend just said he could see where that belief comes from. He didn’t say he holds it himself, and indeed, he admitted he thinks about how addiction might impact “their future children.” I think you’re jumping to conclusions badly.

A: I disagree! The boyfriend said “he was alarmed I wouldn’t think of that as a viable perspective,” and I don’t think these are two reasonable positions with a meaningful compromise. To claim former addicts, as a category of people, have forfeited the right to have children, is an immoral position; to entertain it as a viable perspective (especially in relation to his partner) is cruel.

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[personal profile] kaberett 2018-05-21 09:45 pm (UTC)(link)
This makes it sound like it's only the boyfriend's responsibility to deal with the pain of the past, when it was the LW who inflicted that pain.

I disagree really very strongly. "Silent resentment, probably for years, and treating someone as a bomb about to go off when they have made very real and tangible efforts and progress toward getting better", and total failure to understand his partner's perspective while getting indignant about how valid his own is, is really not a good look. He... doesn't actually get to I Know Best all over this, regardless, and bringing it up at a point when she's already hurt and asking for comfort is really not a kind or mature way to approach this.
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[personal profile] kiezh 2018-05-22 05:48 am (UTC)(link)
I agree completely. This bit leaped out at me:

He said he thinks “all the time” about how my addiction would impact our future family.

This relationship has gone septic. He is either holding LW's history against them "all the time" (!) without ever telling LW so they can do something about it, or going straight for the jugular in an argument so he can hurt LW badly enough to 'win'. Or both.

They should break up and go to therapy separately - him for his lingering issues over LW's addiction problems and how they affected him, and LW for the shame and regret and hopefully some help in making future plans. Having kids is a big deal and requires a lot of planning and care; there's no reason LW can't think about their long-term strategy for getting to a place where they can have kids, and how their recovery would factor in, with the help of a good therapist and a support system that doesn't think LW is too defective and stained to ever parent.
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[personal profile] kaberett 2018-05-21 09:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Right okay I have more thoughts --

-- at the point at which dude is not capable of thinking about LW as anything other than an addict, as anything other than their illness, in spite of apparently substantial progress toward recovery, I find that deeply concerning in terms of long-term viability of the relationship -- because it sounds like he isn't, actually, considering LW as a partner.

I have a lot of feelings about this because of the nature of my mental illnesses and disabilities and how those impact my interpersonal relationships and care needs. The worst symptoms of my illnesses do not define my capabilities and it is patronising and dehumanising and disabling for people to treat me as though I am never capable of getting out of bed, or of thinking clearly, rather than making actual realistic assessments of where I am at and listening to mine, too, in a context where my self-assessments have been consistently reliable for many years.

I don't think we have evidence that the LW isn't similarly capable. As such, it's not okay to behave as though they're not.
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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2018-05-22 01:37 am (UTC)(link)
The LW did violate her boyfriend's trust in a huge way, but that was before now. NOW she's sober, she's working on it. I think part of being loving would be for him to give her the chance to earn his trust back, rather than having decided that nothing she ever could do could earn it back.

I mean, maybe he feels that nothing she could ever do could earn it back, but... among other reasons why I don't think that would be a useful stance, I don't see it as being an encouragement for her to work towards what would be an impossible goal.

And I think that saying "As a recovering addict you can never possibly be a decent parent, no matter what," is another way of saying "there is no way you can ever earn my trust back." I know it's easy for me to sit here and say he should give her a chance -- I'm not the one who found her and didn't know if she was breathing. But if he's interested in being in a relationship with her, and for the sake of love and the evidence of her working on her recovery, I think he should give her that chance. Which might mean going to therapy to find a way to give her that chance.

(My sympathy for her is conditional on her actually being a recovering addict. I'm not writing this to excuse the devastation that active addiction causes. But I think we should hope, we should judge people as more than just their worst moments, or there's no reason to be else than our worst moments.)
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[personal profile] kaberett 2018-05-27 08:04 pm (UTC)(link)
(I apologise for dropping this conversation on the floor -- life Happened -- but for what it's worth I agree completely with [personal profile] kiezh's comment downthread.)