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conuly ([personal profile] conuly) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2021-10-22 12:50 am

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My partner and I have a beautiful 14-month-old boy, Jason. My partner likes music (who doesn’t?), but she also harbors a severe intolerance for children’s music. She refuses to sing, play, or listen to anything but adult songs at home or in the car when our baby is there too. I’m uncomfortable at the idea of Jason being exposed to swear words and non-kid-friendly messages, and I thought this was the strongest angle from which to approach my wife. But when I said this, she looked at me like I was nuts. She said that while she’ll carefully avoid explicit lyrics as Jason learns to talk, there’s nothing wrong with playing “normal music” when a baby is present and there’s no reason to let kids’ music “take over our lives.”

But she’s wrong; Jason’s language acquisition is kicking into high gear right now, and from what I’ve read, basic children’s songs, such as the ABCs, have considerable benefit to childhood development. What I think is happening is that she still has some unresolved issues from growing up: She’s one of the oldest in a big family, and she has previously told me that while she loves her siblings, it was hard for her to be a teen in a house of under-10s she had to babysit almost every day. But now, with her own baby, I’m really surprised that she can’t even find a little tolerance to play the kind of music that will be best for him instead of what she likes. We’re both supposed to make little sacrifices as parents, but how can I open a discussion about changing our playlists to more child-appropriate music with someone who says that “hearing ‘Twinkle Twinkle’ for the millionth time makes me want to tear my ears off”?

—Baby DJ


Dear BDJ,

There are plenty of parents who can’t abide kid music, and to be honest I think you need to pick your battles, because this is not an important one. Of course you are both expected to make sacrifices (both little and big) for the sake of your child, but I don’t think listening to “adult music” is going to hurt your son. Many, many children—including my own, back in the day—are present when their parents play whatever music they’re into, and I’ve never heard of one whose “development” was harmed by it. I think if it’s important to you to make sure he is exposed to plenty of music designed especially for kids, then you can and should do that. Surely the three of you aren’t together all the time? Surely there is some time when you are alone with your son? Play and sing all the ABCs etc. then.

Honestly, this sounds like a power struggle to me. It’s a struggle you need to set aside even as you two (together) figure out what this argument is really about. Do you want to listen to your favorite music (and is this really about music?) and resent that she is doing so while you’re stuck with “Twinkle Twinkle” for the millionth time? Do you feel like the two of you should be suffering through kids’ music together? Do you feel like your partner is making fewer sacrifices than you are—or that she isn’t taking parenting as seriously as you are?

Whatever is going on beneath the surface of this battle, keep in mind that there will be plenty of things that one or another of you will do with your child that the other won’t. My daughter read Bible stories, played basketball, made paintings and collages, and built things with her dad; she played elaborate let’s-pretend games and made up stories and sang through the entire scores of Broadway musicals with me (not an inclusive list, but you get the idea). There will be plenty of important things about which you and your partner will need to be on the same page. This isn’t one of them.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2021/10/parents-grown-children-boundaries-advice-care-feeding.html
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[personal profile] gingicat 2021-10-23 12:11 pm (UTC)(link)
*looks up movie*

Wow, that's... grim. And prescient, as far as school shootings.
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[personal profile] ysobel 2021-10-23 07:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Ha yeah. I learned ears first, then at some point boobs, but when I learned the original body part it made so much more sense omg.
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[personal profile] ysobel 2021-10-23 08:12 pm (UTC)(link)
One of the songs I grew up with was Nancy Whiskey, a song about a weaver getting addicted to booze, which included

As I came down to Glasgow city
Nancy whiskey I chanced to smell
I walked in, sat down beside her
Seven long years I loved her well

The more I kissed her, the more I loved her
The more I loved her, the more she smiled
I forgot my mother's teaching
Nancy soon had me beguiled

[...]

So come all you weavers, you Caltan weavers
Weavers where e'er you be
Beware of whiskey, Nancy whiskey
She'll ruin you like she blinded me


Only I was too young to know about alcoholism and possibly too young to grok metaphors, so I thought it was about a woman (for some reason I assumed blonde hair and long red nails) who seduced a guy and then literally poked his eye out, so he went back to weaving but had to do it by feel.

Learning it was about booze made it way more boring...
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[personal profile] librarygeek 2021-10-23 09:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Bop, but usually accompanied with a full open hand ✋tap on the head for little ones, but one fist tapping the other ✊✊ on the head for the older kids!
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[personal profile] librarygeek 2021-10-23 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Teachers, in a city in the 70s? I had more problems with the older teachers near retirement than the younger or Jewish ones. Because of who I was, the teachers usually knew who my parents and grandmother were, and their expectations for me differed based on their own length of teaching.

I also remember my first grade teacher smacking my left hand with a ruler trying to use it for writing. Yes, I usually use my right hand for writing now, but I use either hand bowling.
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[personal profile] xenacryst 2021-10-24 03:45 am (UTC)(link)
Mother Earth is pregnant for the third time
For y'all have knocked her up
I have tasted the maggots in the mind of the universe
I was not offended
For I knew I had to rise above it all
Or drown in my own SHIT


Followed by one of the most virtuosic guitar solos in all of time and space. Why the FUCK should my kidlet not be allowed to partake of this ecstasy?
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[personal profile] nonethefewer 2021-10-25 10:13 am (UTC)(link)
This reminds me of the time I put together a playlist in Spotify of "bouncy background kid-happy music", and completely forgot that I'd put in the lullaby version of War Pigs by Black Sabbath.

"I guess past!me decided to put tinkly music in the list. ...wait a sec..."
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[personal profile] sporky_rat 2021-10-25 04:00 pm (UTC)(link)

That's awesome

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[personal profile] cynthia1960 2021-10-25 08:28 pm (UTC)(link)
You just made my day.
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[personal profile] lunabee34 2021-10-26 09:51 am (UTC)(link)
*takes a bow*

We were, dare I say it, Bad Company.
Edited (who can resist a pun) 2021-10-26 09:52 (UTC)
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[personal profile] lemonsharks 2021-10-26 02:57 pm (UTC)(link)

Who knew!

I have not yet become a sex worker despite "Fancy" being my favorite song as a kid, nor have I murdered anyone despite the vasty enormous number of country murder ballads I grew up with. My Other Favorite Song, the Beatles' Rocky Raccoon, never left me to commit murder-suicide In a fit of jealous rage after falling in love with a sex worker.

But I also don't think bitch qualifies as a slur at all anymore (and it's certainly not a slur on the level of the n-word, as evidenced by one of the gets spelled out and the other doesn't) so maybe I was irreparably damaged by grownup music growing up after all

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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2021-10-28 02:48 pm (UTC)(link)
OMG you and WD need to discuss this in detail, and I apologize for not telling you before!
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*makes a note*

[personal profile] minoanmiss 2021-10-28 02:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I am tempted to illustrate this.
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[personal profile] bikergeek 2021-10-28 03:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Nick Cave & Kylie Minogue, "Where the Wild Roses Grow". In fact it's off an entire album named Murder Ballads.

Extra slashy version with Blixa Bargeld (of Einstürzende Neubauten) singing Kylie Minogue's part. LOOK AT THOSE TWO ZOMG EEEEEEEEE They had a long time creative partnership when Blixa was also in The Bad Seeds and a lot of people shipped them.

From the same album "Stagger Lee" (NSFW lyrics).

More Nixa (yes they have a portmanteau name!) slashy goodness. (One of the two of them said in an interview "We look like two gay businessmen at a disco.")
Edited 2021-10-28 15:19 (UTC)
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[personal profile] bikergeek 2021-10-28 03:30 pm (UTC)(link)
...till the day you die?
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[personal profile] lunabee34 2021-10-28 03:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Can't deny it.
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Re: *makes a note*

[personal profile] cereta 2021-10-28 03:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Do it do it do it!
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[personal profile] cereta 2021-10-28 03:50 pm (UTC)(link)
We had a number of Sesame Street songs on playlists, especially songs like Cookie singing "Share It Maybe," or the Dixie Chicks singing about the letter B, and I will always have a deep and abiding love of "What's the Name of That Song". The key was just to mix them up, and the result was a tiny girl making her Elmo doll dance to "Macho Man" as we drove along I-74.
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[personal profile] laurajv 2021-10-28 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
my elder child's favorite song as a toddler was "Folsom Prison Blues"; the younger child's was Leonard Cohen's "You Want It Darker".

unsurprisingly the elder child is obsessed with trains and the younger one is goth as all hell
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[personal profile] laurajv 2021-10-28 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Knowing how to wear my kids has saved my butt at least twice.

The first time, I had an 18 mo. old who had gotten sick while traveling on a plane. I had to get a screaming child, their car seat, and a week's luggage back to the car solo. I had a wheel contraption for the car seat, so I buckled the luggage to the seat and used a long scarf to tie the baby to my back, so that they didn't scream but instead snuffled unhappily into my nape. That is also the last time I went ANYWHERE without a ringsling until my kids were about 5, which leads to....

The second time got trapped by a snowstorm walking distance from home, with a preschooler and a 13 mo. old in the car. We live on a ridgetop & that's how I found out my car couldn't climb the ridge in snow. (Unsurprisingly we sold it not too long afterwards.) I had the ringsling and an ergo in the car and long story short that's the day I figured out how to rig them up together to carry both kids at once.

But wearing babies being heck of useful in many circumstances isn't the same thing as extreme baby wearing, y'know?
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[personal profile] cereta 2021-10-28 11:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, there are obviously exceptions to any and all claims about children and parenting ;). And I admit some bias: wearing wasn't really an option for me after a couple of months, because of physical limitations.

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