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conuly ([personal profile] conuly) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2019-12-04 05:50 pm

Preteen Daughter Needs a Bra

DEAR HARRIETTE: My daughter is 10 years old, and she is already developing like a teenager. I am torn as to how to deal with this. When I was growing up, my mother made me wear undershirts until I was a teenager. She said that a nice girl shouldn’t wear a bra until she is a teen. My daughter clearly needs to wear a bra. Without one, she is actually drawing more attention to her body than if she had more control of her budding breasts. I feel like I should get her fitted for a bra, but I keep hearing my mother’s voice in my head. How can I reconcile this and support my child? -- Growing Pains

DEAR GROWING PAINS: It is time for you to listen to your own voice. Your instincts are telling you the right thing. Your child needs support for the body she is in, not the one you wish she inhabited. Keeping your mother’s sentiments in mind, you can be sure to get her “appropriate” bras.

There are bras designed for teens, including many without underwire, which you should choose for health reasons as well as presentation reasons. Look for sports bras that provide support without glamorizing. Avoid push-up bras or those marketed as “sexy.” Take her to a store where a knowledgeable salesperson can help you make smart decisions. Be upbeat when you talk to your daughter. She is likely uncomfortable and possibly confused by the changes in her body. The way you respond to her will make all the difference in how she embraces the woman she is becoming.

https://www.uexpress.com/sense-and-sensitivity/2019/12/3/0/preteen-daughter-needs-a-bra
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[personal profile] cereta 2019-12-03 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Half of my daughter's class was wearing bras in the third grade. Girls develop earlier these days. Although 10 is not really that young. I was 10 when I got my first bras. Obviously, you should let your child make this decision, although you certainly could require an undershirt when appropriate. Often, what makes girls that age self-conscious is nipple-budding and asymmetrical development, and a bra with a smooth front can help.
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[personal profile] melannen 2019-12-04 12:32 am (UTC)(link)
I agree, she should wear a bra when she wants to wear a bra.

There may come a point when the social consequences of not wearing some kind of breast covering (up to an including being sent home from school to change) may outweigh not wearing a bra, and you should probably have a chat with her about bras and breasts and society's issues with them before that, so she understands the choices she has and the way people's responses to her might change as she grows, and that you are there to support her when they do.

There are camisoles/undershirts with built-in breast support that work well enough to prevent most of the social consequences of bralessness up to a surprisingly large breast size, so if she's uncomfortable or uninterested with bras, but also uncomfortable with her breasts and/or the way people respond to them, those are worth looking into.

Also, while you should not let your mom's voice rule you, if she *is* interested in bras, it's valid to steer her *away* from ones that over-emphasize her "adult" attributes for awhile yet - ten years is old enough for some girls to be very interested in looking adult, without it being safe for them to be *seen* as adult, and that's a point at which a mom should put her foot down. But there are enough young girls developing early that there are safe bra choices too, and there are ways to put your foot down about it that are better than the way your mother did.
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[personal profile] mirlacca 2019-12-04 12:36 am (UTC)(link)
I wonder if LW's mother also thought "nice girls" shouldn't wear sanitary napkins or tampons until they're teens? Bras are for physical support, and you don't have to be a teenager to need them.

(Otoh, now that I'm officially over the mid-60 hill, I take every opportunity I can to NOT wear a bra. They sag. Big deal.)
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[personal profile] lemonsharks 2019-12-04 12:49 am (UTC)(link)
Wonder of wonders, Harriette gave some advice that's both sound and kind
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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2019-12-04 01:11 am (UTC)(link)
*goes back up to the header*
*rereads the advice*
*boggles delightedly*
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[personal profile] tielan 2019-12-04 02:09 am (UTC)(link)
Wait, a 'nice girl'?

Oh, dear heavens WHAT?

Dear LW, in addition to Harriet's quite solid advice, I would highly recommend a counsellor of some kind because wow that's some toxic unpacking to do right there and with a pre-pubescent teenaged girl in your household absorbing from you the things that you learned from your mother, the sooner you work out which parts of your mother's advice is going to inadvertantly brutalise your daughter's self-esteem, the better.
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[personal profile] oursin 2019-12-04 09:54 am (UTC)(link)
I think Mother's possibly not even clearly articulated to herself subtext was that 'nice girls' do not develop early and thus would not need a bra - there was a whole lot of classist/racist discourse around girls who did develop 'precociously'.
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[personal profile] lilysea 2019-12-04 10:14 am (UTC)(link)
I think Mother's possibly not even clearly articulated to herself subtext was that 'nice girls' do not develop early and thus would not need a bra - there was a whole lot of classist/racist discourse around girls who did develop 'precociously'.

And fatphobia... because girls who are fat are more likely to develop breasts earlier.
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[personal profile] med_cat 2019-12-04 11:16 am (UTC)(link)
Dear Growing Pains,

Your mother had some antiquated ideas about what a "nice girl" should wear, and that's putting it mildly

:P
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[personal profile] naath 2019-12-04 11:40 am (UTC)(link)
1) your Mum is an ass
2) If child wants a bra, get her a well fitted bra in an age appropriate style (being both in the UK and 36 I have no idea)
3)If child does not want a bra social propriety may require an undershirt or camisole beneath the kind of white shirt I was always made to wear to school (semi transparent...). These do come in 'supportive' options without 'looking like' a bra, if that is desired.
4)At a 34E I do not always wear a bra, it is a matter of comfort and personal choice.
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[personal profile] ayebydan 2019-12-04 02:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Your mother was a twat.

Take your kid to get fitted and go with what she wants and needs.
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[personal profile] feldman 2019-12-04 03:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Seconded very hard.
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[personal profile] cynthia1960 2019-12-04 09:13 pm (UTC)(link)
And thirded.
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[personal profile] cynthia1960 2019-12-04 09:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Yessssss
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[personal profile] xenacryst 2019-12-05 01:21 am (UTC)(link)
I'm with all the other advice, and just in case anyone might need it, also here to recommend this company for very comfortable and age-appropriate undergarments: https://www.yellowberrycompany.com/ (Or, at least, my daughter says they're great.)
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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2019-12-08 07:05 am (UTC)(link)
*makes a note*