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Delphi (they/them) ([personal profile] delphi) wrote in [community profile] agonyaunt2012-03-26 08:03 pm

Miss Manners: "You Can't Have It Both Ways"

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Dear Miss Manners: Is it acceptable for a girl to decline an invitation to a dance, only to later accept another invitation to the same dance? This is for a high school dance or prom.


Gentle Reader: If you are the parent of a young gentleman to whom this has been done, Miss Manners can confirm that the young lady is indeed rude, and that however crushed your son is, he is better off. She would be capable of committing another rudeness, such as breaking the date later.

If you are the parent of a young lady who proposes to do this, it is still rude, but Miss Manners has more to say.

You should tell your daughter that as the idea is to avoid hurting the young gentleman’s feelings, in theory, she should be able to do this if he would never find out. Then ask her how she would decline without being unkind or untruthful. And remind her that there are no secrets in high school.

There is another lesson you might give, even though she will not believe it. That is that some law of nature makes the least popular boy in high school into the most desirable man later in life, yet, no matter how successful and glamorous he has become, makes him remember and continue to smart from having been slighted.
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[personal profile] zulu 2012-03-27 03:12 am (UTC)(link)
Ugh, terrible advice. Someone she doesn't like (or doesn't care about in the least) asks her out and she's not allowed to say no because it would be rude? Sorry, no. It's honest, which is kinder than a pity-date. My advice to the young gentleman or his parents that "unpopular in high school = better than everyone else later on, they'll see, and they'll PAY!" is the hallmark of a mouth-breathing nice guy, and to avoid any appearance of being such an individual is a much surer way to attract romantic partners.
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[personal profile] eleanorjane 2012-03-27 03:42 am (UTC)(link)
This, this, 100% this. Ugh, that advice is so awful.

Plus there's a horrible thread of "the guy is entitled to the girl as his date because he wants her, regardless of what she wants!". Just, no.
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[personal profile] inlovewithnight 2012-03-27 03:48 am (UTC)(link)
I wonder if she declined to go with him or if she tried to gloss it by saying she couldn't attend at all. If she said she didn't want to go with him, then yeah, this letter is kind of ridiculous. If she lied about being able to go and then agreed to go with someone else, I can see the extra degree of hurtfulness for kid #1.
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[personal profile] daedala 2012-03-27 03:51 am (UTC)(link)
I like the assumption that the problem is that the guy is unpopular.

Some guys are unpopular. But some are bullies, creeps, date-rapists, disrespectful of boundaries, or otherwise someone to avoid. And you know what? Bullies, creeps, and date-rapists do not get better with age.
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[personal profile] recessional 2012-03-27 03:55 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I wondered the same.
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[personal profile] recessional 2012-03-27 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
I call utter bullshit. Of COURSE it is acceptable for a girl to decline one invitation and then accept a later one. What the hell.

(If she, as ~inlovewithnight wondered, lied about not being able to go at all, then that's a bit uncool - lying to people whose feelings you care about is not cool, and if you don't care about his feelings, why are you lying about your rejection anyway? But she's still utterly within her rights.)
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[personal profile] greenygal 2012-03-27 04:02 am (UTC)(link)
This is such a mind-bogglingly awful response that I'm having trouble getting my head around it. Apparently "invitation" here means "command," and girls are not actually allowed to make any choices about who they might want to go out with. If the boy wants you, sorry, you must comply. Otherwise you might hurt his feelings, and that of course is the primary concern in the situation.

Seriously, "the idea is to avoid hurting the young gentleman's feelings"? No, the idea is that girls get to say no. If you can do that without hurting the other person's feelings, that's good, but often you can't, and in those circumstances you still get to say no.
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[personal profile] jo_lasalle 2012-03-27 05:45 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, I was wondering about that too before clicking the cut, and my gut response was that there's some rudeness there. But WTF this advice.
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[personal profile] deird1 2012-03-27 06:07 am (UTC)(link)
How ridiculous. So, basically, I'm obliged to either go with someone I dislike, or else stay home.
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[personal profile] torachan 2012-03-27 07:05 am (UTC)(link)
This is just skin-crawlingly horrible. I can't believe that this person is saying a girl has to go with the first guy who asks her or not go at all. Also totally seconding the person who said the advice to the boy is likely to make him an entitled Nice Guy.
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[personal profile] minoanmiss 2012-03-27 11:30 am (UTC)(link)
Holy shit, this response is such a spectacular shit sundae I cannot even.

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[personal profile] sara 2012-03-27 07:24 pm (UTC)(link)
And, sheesh, having married someone who had prom-date weirdness: I promise he can get past it and go on to live a happy and fulfilled life. NO REALLY.

If a guy hasn't learned that not every person he likes is going to like him back by...well, sometime in elementary school, he is so relentlessly clueless as to not be worth bothering with.